This episode is notable in that there is aczually no reset button. The connection they made this episode to Starfleet will not be forgotten... at all.
I officially began my journey through all Star Trek on October 9th...
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You will actually all catch up in time for Discovery.
How does that feel?
How does that feel?
This is a major achievement.
We shall drink to this!
Nope. Just wanted to know what the situation was prior to release as to the outlook on the film franchise and such. Some films are best watched with knowledge of what was going on at the time, not only behind-the-scenes, but in the media. I watched Citizen Kane the other day (for the first time) and I read up a bit about the facts of what was going on at the time beforehand such as its unique "auteur" immunity. It really improved the viewing experience to an already phenomenal film.
As with every other film, I'll be watching it when its release date matches up with the TV episodes. In this case, it was season 2 of ENT when Nemesis premiered, and as such, I will be watching it then.
Season 2 of Enterprise and Nemesis? You poor, poor bastard. That's the absolute nadir of both the TV and Film franchises.
I hope you survive it. I watched enterprise this summer in full, I had quit in its initial run. I barely made it through. It is so booooooring.
This is a major achievement.
We shall drink to this!
Nope. Just wanted to know what the situation was prior to release as to the outlook on the film franchise and such. Some films are best watched with knowledge of what was going on at the time, not only behind-the-scenes, but in the media. I watched Citizen Kane the other day (for the first time) and I read up a bit about the facts of what was going on at the time beforehand such as its unique "auteur" immunity. It really improved the viewing experience to an already phenomenal film.
As with every other film, I'll be watching it when its release date matches up with the TV episodes. In this case, it was season 2 of ENT when Nemesis premiered, and as such, I will be watching it then.
Nemesis is probably best watched after the Voyager finale. It has a major spoiler regarding the end of Voyager. While I know you have been trying to watch this all in broadcast order, beyond wait until after 'Endgame", nemesis can be socked in anywhere. It has no connective tissue whatsoever with Enterprise. I would almost suggest watching it directly after Voyager as it is the capstone of the TNG era Star Trek. It gets a little lost buried in the middle of Enterprise.
Pathfinder is a remarkably good Voyager episode. One of my favorites. A lot of that owes to Dwight Schulz at his best carrying it. and as others have already pointed out, a lot stems from the simple fact that for once an episode mattered and carried forward. No reset switch. No "it got lost in the mail". No sad and tragic failure to contact at the end. The Federation now knows that Voyager is alive. It's not huge. But it does mark a turning point in the show. And yay continuity!
Galaxy Quest
8.5/10
Well by God, if this ain't the best Star Trek they've put out on the big screen since the original crew sailed home into retirement...
I had been meaning to watch this film for quite a while. I had heard great things about it from everyone... so what better way to watch it than to tie it in with my full watchthrough of the Star Trek franchise!
I loved it. You can see the obvious mockery that goes on throughout the movie with Tim Allen doing his best William Shatner impression and Alan Rickman playing a Leonard Nimoy not too far from his "I'm better than this campy sci-fi schlock" phase. It's a work of love from fans of the shows and feels like a lesson in making good, simple, fun and fresh Star Trek which, by this time, was quite a tough endeavour it seems for the powers that were.
It's a brilliant satire and one that every fan and non-fan alike should watch, I was laughing non-stop. The idea that the ship and the heroes were saved simply by the fact that there were fans who understood the scientific principles on which the ship worked was wonderful.
It's a funny satire as well as a touching tribute to the actors, fans and series as a whole.
It's a great movie made by people who obviously love Trek.
If you're adding in Trek that isn't Trek I'd throw in Master and Commander: The Far Side Of The World. A fantastic film set during the Napoleonic war that really should be the model for a Trek film instead of all their trips back to the Khan well. An exciting adventure to an unexplored region of Earth with science and violence while detailing life on a secluded ship in an empty void. The captain is a military man first, a hero worshipped by his crew and never defeated. The doctor is a scientist and biologist, on a quest for knowledge and scientific advancement. One of my favourite movies.
You can use it as a palate cleanser for Nemesis
NEM is underrated. ENT season 2 picks up notably in the 2nd half (from ep 15 'Cease Fire').
There is a subtle tie-in to season 4's Andorian arc.
Remans
Even on TrekBBS you're not going to find many people agreeing with that.
...just finished TOS on Sunday, and after starting TAS the same day, I finished that too just 15 minutes ago.
I guess you could say I've been promoted from geek ensign to geek lieutenant junior grade after all that.
As a 15-year-old who's never watched a show over ten years old, it wasn't the easiest. What first drew my attention to this show was J. J. Abrams' 'Star Trek' (technically my "journey through all Star Trek" began much earlier than October, but I don't think this counts). It was fun, cool, and felt like Star Wars, something I'm a huge fan of. I watched 'Star Trek Into Darkness' not too long after, not as good, but still a pretty cool action flick.
I never gave Trek much thought before this, but my dad was a fan of TOS back in his childhood, and told me I'd love it. And since I enjoyed the movies, I thought "what the hell, let's give it a shot". I got Netflix, got a proxy to change to American Netflix, and started TOS.
Here I am now.
I can sum it up as... good. I appreciate how special it was for its time, I appreciate the impact it made on pop culture and just how progressive it was for a show airing in the 1960s, but fuck me if it didn't feel very dated at times. Most of the time I was able to get around that, but some episodes were just.. ugh. At worst, very campy, sometimes sexist, or just kind of repetitive "monster-of-the-week" stuff. Don't get me wrong, there were a lot of great episodes, ones that I really enjoyed, but there were times where I felt like moving right on to TNG, mostly throughout Season 3. Also, I one way or another ended up on my phone while watching most episodes (pacing wasn't very good TBH). Boy, that season was a drag. Three or four real good episodes, tops.
The positives definitely outweigh the negatives though. The chemistry/relationship between Kirk, Spock, and McCoy is a lot of fun, and there was some character development in that regard. When you look at the show and compare it to others of its time, it deserves all the praise it gets as one of the greatest sci-fi shows ever made, if not the greatest.
The Animated Series, well, I guess you could consider it year four of the five-year mission. While it's probably even harder to watch than TOS for its even more dated look (despite being younger than TOS) and shocking animation, it has some good episodes/stories in there, and with only 22 episodes of 24 minutes length each, you can breeze through them all in a week or less. Also, 'The Counter-Clock Incident' is a much more satisfying ending than 'The Turnabout Intruder'. I mainly watched it for completionist purposes.
I ordered the 'Stardate Collection - Movies 1-10' on Blu-ray a few days back to watch over Christmas, and I'm super excited. I think I'll go TMP, TWoK, TSfS and TVH, and then move on to TNG. Reason being I'm watching in strict order of original air date.
It feels like I'm almost finished the starters, and it's time for the main course. I've been super excited to watch the original films for a long while now, I've been hearing about how amazing TNG is, as well DS9 being as good, if not better, to some, so... this could be a large main course.
Anyway, might be a pointless post to some, not needed, but I just really wanted to share that.
Thanks for giving it a read
I just discovered your post. You started your brand new Trek watch the day after I lost my brother -- my comrade-in-Trek-arms -- last year. I am finally a little emotionally stable... a year or so later, and I decided to help myself along my recovery by doing the same thing you did, except I'm an ooooooold fan and this'll probably be my umpteenth trek through, err, Trek
Gonna read through your thread a bit here. Hope you've continued your watching and posted some reviews...?
Because mindless hate is acceptable if directed against an agreed-upon target.
No, it's because it's terrible.Because mindless hate is acceptable if directed against an agreed-upon target.
But I'll grant you this; I don't understand how a Trek fan could like STID but hate NEM.
Because mindless hate is acceptable if directed against an agreed-upon target.
Please, these forums alone (and the Internet in general) are filled with well written critiques of why both ENT (in particular season 2) and Nemesis were poorly done. Your disagreeing with those critiques doesn't mean the people making them are "mindless". The old " you just aren’t smart enough to get it man, only me and my small minority of like minded friends are intellectually capable of enjoying the true nature of film" is, and always has been, BS. I've seen the same excuse used for Freddy Got Fingered.
It's not a valid argument. If you liked a generally disliked project, fine, great, glad someone got enjoyment out of it. There's nothing wrong with that. That's no reason to claim everyone who didn't is "mindless". Neither is siding with the majority opinion on a project.
I enjoy plenty of hated movies and TV shows. Does that mean the people who hated them are mindlessly piling on? No, it just means I enjoyed them often while still recognizing that the writing, directing and editing are all bad.
I just discovered your post. You started your brand new Trek watch the day after I lost my brother -- my comrade-in-Trek-arms -- last year. I am finally a little emotionally stable... a year or so later, and I decided to help myself along my recovery by doing the same thing you did, except I'm an ooooooold fan and this'll probably be my umpteenth trek through, err, Trek
Gonna read through your thread a bit here. Hope you've continued your watching and posted some reviews...?
Sorry to read this. I've also been going through something similar the last few years and it was a trip to the hospital that brought me back to posting on TrekBBS, as well as going back to other childhood pop culture that stood up to adult scrutiny. Comfort food for the soul.
Yeah ... but your counter argument to me was "Not many would agree with you", which is not really a legitimate point.
To expand on my original argument, a lot of people imprinted on TNG at a young age, which makes them somewhat blind to its faults. OTOH, ENT is a generally agreed upon scapegoat, so people pile on with the hate because it's fun, and don't try to be particularly objective. The result is a lot of people seem blind to bad writing and acting in TNG, but see nothing but bad writing and acting in ENT.
Not everyone's like that. There are fans of both series (probably a majority) who see and accept the faults as part of the thing they like. However, unlike ENT, the TNG forum does not see a regular stream of idiots posting rants about how the series is a crime morally equivalent to the holocaust.
(All the above applies to NEM as well.)
EDIT: Sorry for ranting, but being an ENT fan is a sure way of contracting Little Man Syndrome.
(And I'm allowed to say that cos I'm short
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Couldn't agree more. It is the best Star Trek movie from the TNG movie era. Never Give Up, Never Surrender! It's sad really, TNG on the big screen could have been so much more.
ENT 2nd half of Season1 + 1st half of S2 are just mediocre. Not bad like TOS S3 or TNG S1, but they are mind-numbingly boring and uninspired like TNG S7 and VOY S2.
Watching Nemesis directly after Voyager is recommended, as it is the finale of 24th century trek. But on the other hand, taking a break from ENT season 2 monotony is not a bad thing. Unfortunately in this case the break would be even worse than the main meal. Nemesis is a terrible palette cleanser, it leaves a bad taste in your mouth for a long time if you are a TNG fan.
Oh well, it's your choice Shalashaska.
Thinking about that, I don't know that we can really compare. In GQ the characters are all really on one level (except maybe the geek), whereas with TNG the characters all have assigned roles and areas of the ship, which means their main dramatic function is delivering exposition to the captain. Even when they;re all together, the characters tend to be restricted by the formality of their relationships. Getting that ensemble feeling in TNG often required bending the format somewhat. That's my theory anyway.
Thanks for the nuanced view. I agree with your description, although of course there are a couple of bad eps in the good stretches, and some good eps during the more painful stretches. A couple of the bad eps are really bad, but there are a few standouts as well, that can stand with the best of Trek.
The main takeaway should be that ENT is inconsistent. Like a box of chocolates, you never know what you're going to get: Some of it is delicious, but some of those nuggets are actually turds slipped in by disgruntled employees.
It's more a different type of hate. STID is what you get when you give too much story and production power to faceless brainless studio executive drones determined to churn out vanilla crap for the masses.
New is what you get when you give too much production and decision making power to Some of your lead actors in lieu of paying them more. Keep an eye on this phenomenon. It looks like Fox is getting burned this way with Deadpool II.
Of the 2 approaches, the first will more often produce a less bad product. Just because everything about it is designed to make something generic and inoffensive. Whereas approach 2 involves one or more ego's pushing the boundaries of how much ego stroking insanity they can get away with. Yeah...
Dune Buggies...
STID had some great effects and good overall performances (ok excepting the Khaaaannnn! Moment) slaved to a badly cut and pasted story that seemed to be frankensteined together from 3 different scripts. And a director that seems fixated on ever bigger and dumber bad guy ships. Nemesis has none of those positives and all of the negatives.
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What you said comparing GQ to TNG is brilliant. It also may subtly explain why DS9 is one of the stronger Trek series that holds up better over time. In GQ we have 2 layers. The "actors roles" on the tv show, which mimic TNG, and their actual circumstances where they are a less formal small band of people out on the edge of the frontier trying not to get squished. Closer to the less formal small unit character dynamics of DS9, that allowed things like O'Brien and Bashir to shine.
TNG by its root design didn't allow a lot of casual or spontaneous character interaction. Save perhaps via the loopy ships shrink. (And another Siskin is Not Picard moment. Picard sits his Therapist on his Sofa next to him all day where she can hold his hand. When after 6 years Starfleet finally decided to send Sisko a shrink, he slapped a phaser in her hand and said go out and start shootin shit! Shhot first, ask feelings later! Much later! Later than that! In fact just keep shooting!)
In that case it is Ent S4 referencing Nemesis, which had been previously released. So yeah it slightly helps to watch Nemesis before S4 Ent... for a given value of help.
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