I officially began my journey through all Star Trek on October 9th...

[Tracy Trek]

Yeah, not a particularly outstanding episode. Surprised you managed to pick it out though.

When Voyager was in it's first run, I would read reviews of the episodes on a website called Jim Wright's Delta Blues. He had a very humorous string of comments about Chakotay's line about a full complement of shuttles. Things like "Is the Doctor breeding shuttles with hamsters"? Or Voyager was the biggest scrap metal producer in the Delta Quadrant. He also said Chakotay went through shuttles like Kirk went through redshirts. If you ever want a good laugh, read these reviews. They are insightful and often quite funny. www.reviewboy.com

I can remember a lot of episode titles as I've seen the episodes a few times, but I also used to love collecting the Star Trek Fact Files, which were a fountain of knowledge.

Me too. I've also watched them a few times. And I recall a lot of stuff about things I like.

 

[The Old Mixer]

FWIW, while I'd think they shouldn't have had the capability, they pretty much put the shuttle question to rest when they built the Delta Flyer. If they were capable of building that from scratch, then they were capable of rebuilding lost shuttles.

 

[MacLeod]

I seem to recall som of the races in VOY YOH were nice.

 

[Bad Thoughts]

If they were capable of building that from scratch, then they were capable of rebuilding lost shuttles.

Assuming you believe they were capable of building the Delta Flyer on the fly, right?

 

[The Old Mixer]

They did.

 

[Bad Thoughts]

They also evolved into giant salamanders ... and back again.

 

[Tracy Trek]

Man, why don't we ever meet any nice alien races? The Delta Quadrant is full of meanies and assholes.

Maybe from having to look over their shoulder for Borg's and Viidian's all the time. And then along comes Janeway and stirs up some hornet's nests.

 

[eyeresist]

Tuvok and Neelix could have been--should have been--the series Miles and Julian, but not only was character growth limited on the show, the producers seemed determined to make Tuvok a jerk toward Neelix.

Maybe they were going for something more like Quark and Odo?

Bryan Fuller: Rick Berman played Moore and Braga against one another, until their relationship blew up.

Kenneth Biller: Braga was great at focusing on story, but terrible at running the writing staff at this point. He tended to work one on-one with individual writers, rather than as a whole, in arduous and painful process...

Brannon Braga: Moore came on wanted to change all sorts of things that I knew that the studio/network would not allow, and I mistakenly refused to back him up.

Ron Moore: ... Braga was a different person when I joined the staff, acting and sounding much like Rick Berman in defending what was and was not Star Trek. He also refused to consider elements of continuity because it was not what the studio wanted. Staff sessions were tense. Eventually, Braga met with the writers in secret, telling the people in the office to keep me in the dark. When I found out, I burst into a meeting between Berman and Braga and we had it out. Braga apologized and begged me to stay, but I had had enough.

It sounds like Braga was simply too inexperienced, and followed Berman's lead because he figured he (Berman) was in charge and knew what he was doing.

Is it just me or is it no coincidence that the two most talented and successful post Trek writers (Moore and Fuller) are also the two Berman and Braga shit on the most and basically forced out of the franchise?

Never heard of them criticising Fuller, who was only a junior writer at the time. I think you may be trying to retroactively fit him into your theory...

 

[wayoung]

I seem to recall interviews where he talked about working in Voyager as a negative experience but I could be wrong.

 

[Bad Thoughts]

I seem to recall interviews where he talked about working in Voyager as a negative experience but I could be wrong.

I think Fuller found, over time, that Voyager was a limiting experience. He would have preferred to have been hired on for DS9, but he was happy writing for Janeway and Seven of Nine. It irked him that the characters on the show were overall not deep, and that the different types of stories that could be told dwindled as the series went on.

 

[eyeresist]

I seem to recall interviews where he talked about working in Voyager as a negative experience but I could be wrong.

Fuller has talked about some problems making VOY, but you said B&B had been critical of him, and as far as I know they haven't.

 

[Griffeytrek]

Fuller has talked about some problems making VOY, but you said B&B had been critical of him, and as far as I know they haven't.

Moore has said that B&B's treatment of Fuller and a few others is a big part of what soured him quickly on Voyager. Part of what led to the falling out between himself and Braga. I don't believe he has ever gone into details regarding the perceived mistreatment.

 

[eyeresist]

Not what I was talking about.

 

[wayoung]

Are you talking about this?

http://nerdist.com/nerdist-writers-panel-129-bryan-fuller/

I'm not sure, I see that's audio only so can't really respond. Does it have Fuller talking about Berman and Braga treating him poorly? If so, than sure that's exactly what talking about

Fuller has talked about some problems making VOY, but you said B&B had been critical of him, and as far as I know they haven't.

No, I said they shit on him, as in treated him badly during the production, not that they did interviews afterwards where they were overtly critical about him

Moore has said that B&B's treatment of Fuller and a few others is a big part of what soured him quickly on Voyager. Part of what led to the falling out between himself and Braga. I don't believe he has ever gone into details regarding the perceived mistreatment.

I do remember that being one of the sources of my understanding that Fuller was treated badly on VOY although I thought I'd seen more from Fuller himself, and possibly Behr as well, although, as I said before, I could be wrong. Maybe I'm conflating Moore's statements with other peoples.

 

[eyeresist]

No, I said they shit on him, as in treated him badly during the production, not that they did interviews afterwards where they were overtly critical about him

Ah, now I see the source of the confusion. If only people would use "shat" as the past tense of "shit"

 

[BlueStuff]

Ah, now I see the source of the confusion. If only people would use "shat" as the past tense of "shit"

They do, at least where I'm from.

 

[Forbin]

But that could easily be confused with THE Shat, so maybe it's for the better.

 

[Bad Thoughts]

Anyone who looks to Berman to get down and dirty in public will probably be sorely disappointed. No, he doesn't take the high road. Rather his reflections are more of an institutional history, a story that promotes the franchise as a whole rather than reveals the inner politics that made the individual series. He tends to respond to criticism from actors and writers by downplaying the conflict they may have had and maybe saying that things could have been approached better. In 50 Year Mission, there are few moments when he "spills the beans." For instance, he says that there were a couple of actors who screwed up directorial assignment, which became their last, but he refuses to name them (Stewart? Siddig? Robinson?). He also mentions that Brooks had a volatile temper, but that he only had poor relationships with two or three (unnamed) actors, all over issues related to acting itself (possibly Auberjonois, Shimerman, and later Siddig). The only time he goes out of his way to contradict something that has been said in public is with respect to Terry Farrell's season 6 contract negotiations.

 

[wayoung]

Anyone who looks to Berman to get down and dirty in public will probably be sorely disappointed. No, he doesn't take the high road. Rather his reflections are more of an institutional history, a story that promotes the franchise as a whole rather than reveals the inner politics that made the individual series. He tends to respond to criticism from actors and writers by downplaying the conflict they may have had and maybe saying that things could have been approached better. In 50 Year Mission, there are few moments when he "spills the beans." For instance, he says that there were a couple of actors who screwed up directorial assignment, which became their last, but he refuses to name them (Stewart? Siddig? Robinson?). He also mentions that Brooks had a volatile temper, but that he only had poor relationships with two or three (unnamed) actors, all over issues related to acting itself (possibly Auberjonois, Shimerman, and later Siddig). The only time he goes out of his way to contradict something that has been said in public is with respect to Terry Farrell's season 6 contract negotiations.

There is that "In Conversation" interview with Berman and Braga where the two of them (possibly because they are together and egging each other on years after the end of ENT) get a little more personal about Co - workers, although since it is an ENT feature that's what they focus on. They take a few shots at Manny Coto in it. There was a big thread about it in the Enterprise forum awhile back.

In general you won't find many instances of cast/crew complaining about anyone else (outside of TNG cast complaining about Stuart Baird) - it's not professional and they may have to work with each other, or people connected to each other, in the future. Even Takei and Shatner publicly bury the hatchet every once in awhile, as they seem to have done again in the last couple weeks.

 

[eyeresist]

But that could easily be confused with THE Shat, so maybe it's for the better.

That confusion is part of the fun.