I officially began my journey through all Star Trek on October 9th...

[locutus101]

I don't believe I am. You were the one who brought up sadistic cruelty, so I gave you a list of Cardassians who we know weren't like that. So you are trying to find excuses for why they should not be on the list. I'll willingly strike Ziyal seeing as you have a real bee in your bonnet over her heritage.

What about Rugal? Do you really think he belongs on that list?

 

[Tosk]

He is Cardassian.

 

[Bad Thoughts]

I'm curious about how being a "half-breed" either excuses one or implicates one. Is one half as cruel? Are the cruelty genes transmitted to only one sex but not the other? Do they get to choose what side of any given conflict they are on? And what happen when someone like Ziyal, who was raised by the Cardassians and Bajorans in the Breen camp, then by her father? Does Ziyal get to come out in a faux Indian costume, riding a prop, and sing Cher songs?

 

[The Old Mixer]

I don't think many here would watch that show.

Seeing some anti-Federation propaganda could have been entertaining. TNG-era Trek took "Gene's vision" too seriously to have fun with it like that, though.

 

[locutus101]

He is Cardassian.

Raised by Bajorans to hate his own people!

 

[The Old Mixer]

As I recall, the aftermath of Jadzia's death does get its share of attention in Season 7...they don't press the button and return to status quo mode like TNG did after Tasha.

 

[Seven of Five]

VOY and DS9 were the perfect companion series. DS9 was often quite serialised and had shades of grey, and VOY tended to be more standalone and traditional. I certainly missed the overlap when I used to rent VHS with my friend all the time.

I enjoyed The Reckoning except for the faux-Clash of the Titans vibe in the last act.

I also think Jadzia's death was done poorly. Season seven does make up for it in terms of reaction to her death though.

 

[Bad Thoughts]

Considering Jadzia's death had to be crowbarred into an already written, already plot heavy episode at the last minute, it was as good as could be expected.

ETA: Conversely, TPTB had adequate time to prepare for Tasha Yar's death, and the series was going nowhere in terms of narrative. Not really comparable.

 

[Seven of Five]

Perhaps when Sisko feels pain from the Prophets' disappearance, his lack of focus during the Chin'Toka attack could lead to the Defiant being hit severely, thus leading to Jadzia's death. That would certainly work better with the end of the episode when Sisko says he's failed as the emissary, and as a Starfleet Captain.

Of course, easier said than done in retrospect years and years later after I've seen the episode again several times.

 

[Bad Thoughts]

Perhaps when Sisko feels pain from the Prophets' disappearance due to Dukat, his lack of focus during the Chin'Toka attack could lead to the Defiant being hit severely, thus leading to Jadzia's death. That would certainly work better with the end of the episode when Sisko says he's failed as the emissary, and as a Starfleet Captain.

Potentially. However, the episode was not intended to be one focused on Jadzia's death, but on the break between Sisko and the Prophets and the uncertainty it stirred in him. Because of timing, Jadzia's death could be nothing more than collateral damage.

 

[Seven of Five]

True. Just wistful thinking.

 

[Timelord79 (he/him)]

Oh dear. You are talking about the show that gave us Naomi Wildman here.

 

[Griffeytrek]

Nemesis would've been an excellent episode if it wasn't for that goofy annoying language everyone used and the little girl.

I hate kids. Please let me never see another one again in Trek.

Naomi Wildmon and the actress that plays her made me rethink my traditional loathing of kids in Star Trek. While I am still not a huge fan of kids in Star Trek I will concede that when properly executed and used well they can sometimes add to and broaden a story. I think Trek did get much much better regarding Kids over the years. TNG was just awful. Everytime you saw a child appear on screen you knew the episode was going to be painful. Doubly so if it involved Wesley and a child. By DS9 they had largely come to understand how to use the kids more effectively. Jake and Molly were not so much characters unto themselves, but respectively elements of Sisko and O'Brien's lives and motivations. They were there to inform the lead characters. Heck they even managed to give Nog an actual story arc over the series. The ultimate Horatio Alger story in fact. And finally with Voyager, for all the things they largely did wrong, they managed to mostly hit the perfect balance point with Naomi. For once they didn't put the kid on screen and have the story more or less be screaming "look at meeee!!!" They used her sparingly, and when they did it was largely to shift the audiences point of view in an interesting way.

Oh cool, it's a Bryan Fuller episode! And nonetheless, it's focused on Seven of Nine! It's funny, I can almost already see some elements of Hannibal in The Raven, an episode that's very character-driven and quite psychological. I enjoyed it, hopefully he can bring those elements to DSC.

Anyway, while I quite like Seven, she's already growing on me, it's very obvious that she was there to boost ratings.

She's a hot blonde, she has big boobs, she wears a tight catsuit that's tailored for her form, she wears heels for whatever reason, she's a DA BORG, and she's ultimately an emotionless character searching for her humanity.

SHE'S AN EXECUTIVE'S DREAM!

The Raven is a great episode. And a great background for Seven. Granted you do have to overlook some wild plot holes involving Sevens parents and how they came to meet the Borg, but still all around enjoyable. You also have The Year of Hell two parter coming up. Sit down, strap in and enjoy. It's one of Voyager's high points. Only diminished by the fact that much like DS9's Homefront/Paradise Lost, The Year of Hell was originally supposed to be the full season arc, but got trimmed down to a 2'fer. Season 4 may be Voyager's overall best and YoH is it's crown jewel.

 

[The Old Mixer]

she wears heels for whatever reason

I recall a quote from a publicity piece about her joining the show, when Jeri Ryan was asked about the heels, and her response was something along the lines of, "You don't dress to the nines in a skintight catsuit and then pad around in flats, dear."

SHE'S AN EXECUTIVE'S DREAM!

And not the dry kind....

 

[Griffeytrek]

SHE'S AN EXECUTIVE'S DREAM!

I thought she was a Congressman's and Senate Hopefuls Dream. It was Belanna that was boinking the Paramount Executive. No really Ryan was married to Congressman Ryan, and and Roxanne Dawes was or is still married to one of the Paramount Execs. (Let's just say when the talk came up of who Jerry Ryan would be replacing, Lt. Torres was not on the list.) After A messy divorce from the politician she was involved with Brandon "Threshold" Braga for a bit. I assume lizard suits were in some way involved?

 

[The Old Mixer]

Sounds like you might be getting these two mixed up:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Ryan_(politician)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Ryan

 

[The Old Mixer]

You're too kind...I think that this episode was when the term "reset button" entered the lexicon of Trek fandom.

 

[Seven of Five]

Year of Hell remains one of my favourite episodes, even though everything is hunky dory again by the end. I just love seeing how extremely the crew are pushed in this one.

I would have liked a mention of Kes during the episode though to link it to Before and After more clearly.

 

[The Old Mixer]

For me (going on vague memory of when it originally aired), it was too much a case of "here's what the show could be, but we won't go there."

 

[Annorax849]

I actually think think Voyager's third season is underrated. Best third season of any series and better than Voyager season 5-7. It had more low quality episodes than I would like, but it had a pretty solid list of good episodes that more than make up for it.