When I first watched Message in a Bottle, I thought those 2 should take their act on the road. 
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Pretty well stated since without Robert Picardo and Jeri Ryan the rest of the series run is sort of a sideshow.When I first watched Message in a Bottle, I thought those 2 should take their act on the road.
According to Fifty Year Mission, Volume II, Dukat was effectively supposed execute her, but Berman refused to allow the scene.
The things is that Janeway made a really bad decision that should have gotten Voyager destroyed and all it's crew killed and she was saved from the consequences of that decision by Seven's disobedience. Either Janeway is totally insane or she realized that that is what happened. Her anger toward Seven is pure hypocrisy or craziness.
Year of Hell > Yesterday's Enterprise.
Or at least part one.
It's true the reset might be disappointing, but the reset wouldn't have happened if it weren't for the actions of Janeway in the other timeline. It's more than just what happens to Voyager. The episode has one of the most interesting and (afiak) original sci-fi concepts I've seen, and the best one-shot villain in the entire franchise.
Or at least part one.
It's true the reset might be disappointing, but the reset wouldn't have happened if it weren't for the actions of Janeway in the other timeline. It's more than just what happens to Voyager. The episode has one of the most interesting and (afiak) original sci-fi concepts I've seen, and the best one-shot villain in the entire franchise.
Well, turns out he wasn't really a villain, just misguided.
I find Voyager becomes a lot more enjoyable once you change your mental filters to accept that Janeway is actually the Psychotic Villain weaving a path of despair and destruction through the innocents of the Delta Quadrant, with her cursed enslaved and doomed crew of the damned in tow.
Yeah why do the Borg so hate the Federation, and so fixate on Earth? What was the point of First Contact? Well the Borg have met Janeway... and they have Time Travel. Won't it be fun when the rest of those who have met Janeway in the Delta Quadrant finally figure out where teh 'Voyagers" come from and decide to enact their vengeance. Can't you just imagine that Starfleet Staff meeting? "Why does everybody hate us?"
Yeah why do the Borg so hate the Federation, and so fixate on Earth? What was the point of First Contact? Well the Borg have met Janeway... and they have Time Travel. Won't it be fun when the rest of those who have met Janeway in the Delta Quadrant finally figure out where teh 'Voyagers" come from and decide to enact their vengeance. Can't you just imagine that Starfleet Staff meeting? "Why does everybody hate us?"
I love Prey. It's Top 5 for this season, and probably the peak for the Hirogen. Tony Todd, as always, does an excellent job in his role.
I have to say I'm a fan of big moments throughout the series when Janeway chews out her crew: B'Elanna and Tuvok in Prime Factors; Chakotay in Maneuvers; and so on. When she was telling Seven that her behaviour was unacceptable, again I was enthralled, yet I couldn't help but think Seven hadn't chose her path of individuality - that was Janeway. I loved it when Seven called her out on that, saying that her individuality scares Janeway.
I can't buy into that. As much as I enjoyed the doom and gloom of part one of Year of Hell, Yesterday's Enterprise is a classic for me.
Yes I totally agree with that. Annorax was one of the most fascinating antagonists Voyager ever had. Kurtwood Smith is excellent in the role too. He came across as fairly villainous in part one, yet in his scenes with Chakotay later on we see how he ended up on the twisted path, giving him more depth. Misguided indeed.
Wouldn't that imply that they had somehow they had been exposed to Janeway before any of Starfleet had ever heard of the Borg?
Janeway at the board of inquiry:
"I helped the borg win a war so that they could assimilate millions and millions more people, so that me and my crew could get a little faster to the alpha quadrant. I really think it was worth it!"
"I helped the borg win a war so that they could assimilate millions and millions more people, so that me and my crew could get a little faster to the alpha quadrant. I really think it was worth it!"
Given he was going around eradicating billions of people from history, I'd say he qualifies as a villain. I do agree about him being misguided, though.
Gul Dukat wasn't really a villain, just misguided :-)
The plot was kinder to Anorax than it was to Dukat. Remember that as per regulations, all villains must be punished. Dukat was punished, Anorax wasn't. Janeway wasn't a villain for coldbloodedly murdering Tuvix, the plot never punished her for it. What Tuvix should have done is got his hands on a phaser, phasered her, and his guards, gone to engineering, phasered whoever was there and then caused a warp core breach. That way in the words of Picard: He wouldn't have died alone, which we're told is a good thing.
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He is fat for over a season. Which particular episode are you referring to?
They could have worked that into the story.
I thought they did. When he got pregnant with his and B'lanna's child.
Maybe Robbie McNeil gained sympathy weight. I read that his wife was pregnant during that time period.
For that matter, his co-star Roxanne was as well. She and her husband welcomed their first around the same time.
For that matter, his co-star Roxanne was as well. She and her husband welcomed their first around the same time.
Which just shows how perfect Janeway's doppelganger was in
Course: Oblivion.
@Shalashaska, have you watched all the movies yet?
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I'm late to the party (I stopped getting notifications for this thread for some reason) but am I the only one that's glad Year of Hell wasn't the entire seasons arc?
It's bad enough when the reset button is pressed at the end of a single episode or a two parter. Imagine if an ENTIRE SEASON was reset out of existence.
That'd pissed me off to no end.
It's bad enough when the reset button is pressed at the end of a single episode or a two parter. Imagine if an ENTIRE SEASON was reset out of existence.
That'd pissed me off to no end.
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