They're already complaining about a black woman in charge of the ship. At some point, you have to accept that you have lost a fandom.
I don't understand the hate Disco gets / still gets.
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They're already complaining about a black woman in charge of the ship. At some point, you have to accept that you have lost a fandom.
I still don't know what Abrams specifically adds to Trek though that another black actress (Viola Davis? Lupita Nyongo? There are tons out there that I'm sure are eager to be in Trek) couldn't already bring to the table.
And with politicians, you just never know. If Abrams or any other politician suddenly was exposed for being involved in this or that crime (and this happens every other day with our politicians) suddenly her appearance has made the show feel outdated (and no, I'm not saying I believe Abrams is involved in anything, just using a hypothetical). Look how well all the past praise of Aung San Suu Kyi feels like now, for example.
I imagine it was just a case of a popular RL celebrity being a Star Trek fan. Something that has led to a lot of guest appearances.
We've had Stephen Hawkins and Doctor Mae Jeminson after all.
Both of those were scientific figures, not political/governmental ones.
I can see Kelso in my mind, too!
I see what you did there.
And so did Gary.
And so did Gary.
Then-Prince (now King) Abdullah of Jordan was on Voyager.
Actors can be exposed too. See, for instance, Stephen Collins, Andy Dick and Jennifer Lien.
Wow, if Giuiliani showed on Trek, it would do completely the opposite for me.
Abdullah was really a walk on gimmick with no lines. He wasn't President of Earth like Abrams was.
And the latter instances of actors in crime is still worse than the political gimmick of bringing in a politician. If the actor is caught, then just recast or whatever. But a politician being caught doesn't just have that effect, it also undermines the entire message that was meant to be made even casting them to begin with.
TOS had Melvin Belli in it. Though not someone political, he was certainly a controversial figure at the time.
Jack Ruby's failed defense attorney. Definitely a name Americans knew.
That's the post of the thread!I believe Giuiliani has already appeared in Trek.
IMO, Abrams represents the political values of Michelle Paradise and perhaps the other DISCO producers, and ones they think DISCO exemplifies or promotes. That's why including her made more sense than having a famous black actress cameo (even those as notable as Viola Davis or Lupita Nyong'o). It's about Abrams, but it's also not about Abrams. I guess I'm trying to say it's more about Abrams the visionary or her political vision more than the individual politician Abrams. Abrams as an idea, as shorthand for an inclusive, multiracial, intersectional political future. With Abrams' cameo, DISCO was making an explicit political statement (not about electoral politics), but more so their overall vision, which IMO they feel that Abrams also shares, and typifies.
Agreed!
How?
Like, I'm really struggling with this idea that if someone is caught in untoward or unfortunate scandal then all past fictional media tie in appearances are no longer relevant? Maybe this comes from my attitude of context because a show isn't written for the future but for the present. So I should take it in the spirt in which is presented in that moment, not arbitrarily condemning an episode for real world misdeeds that come to light later.
I struggle with The Motion Picture now. I can't watch a Kevin Spacey movie. It's a complicated subject.
I agree to a certain extent (thus my initial post saying that politicians on Trek isn't really a good idea) but the line has to be drawn somewhere to separate the art from the artist arguably we probably can't enjoy any of Trek. Although TOS actress Grace Lee Whitney never confirmed it, a lot of fans seem to suspect from the clues (that the suspect polished rocks, that he was a powerful executive on TOS) that it was Gene Roddenberry himself who raped her.
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