I know what you mean.
I feel the same way about straight people.
Now you're just turning me on!!!
I don't know how I feel about Torchwood
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I know what you mean.
I feel the same way about straight people.
Now you're just turning me on!!!
'Scuse me? You can't force people to be comfortable with things they'd rather not see.
Now if your message is to TV producers & writers, whom you believe should show more racy stuff on air, and not care about who's offended, I might agree. But if you start telling viewers that they must accept and like anything and everything they see, there's gonna be some disagreement on that point.
No, but you can suggest that people should open their mind.
My only regret is they killed Toshiko.
Yeah. Owen & Tosh were my favorite characters. Ianto used to be my favorite character back in Season 1 back when they weren't using him as much. I thought, "This guy is awesome! Why don't they use him more?" Once he stopped being underused, I transferred my allegiances to Owen & Tosh. I generally have 2 kinds of favorite characters-- underdogs (Tosh, Season 1 Ianto) and assholes (Owen).
Bakula was a good actor on Quantum Leap. He was just miscast as Captain Archer. Bakula's strength is playing the earnest, befuddled everyman. Those qualities do not suit a Starfleet Captain. Bakula probably would have been a better fit as Trip. It would be fun to visit a parallel universe where Bakula played Trip & Trinneer played Archer.
On Friday, I found a used copy of "Children of Earth" for $16. I snatched it right up. (It was a good deal on a buy 2, get the 3rd for 50% off. I used the rest of it for the complete series of Wonderfalls & Scrubs Season 2.)
Today, I watched all 5 parts in one go.
Damn.
I've never been more disturbed by anything in my life. Parts 1 & 2 were decent but I didn't really see what all the fuss was about. Part 3 started getting interesting. Parts 4 & 5 are two of the most haunting hours of television ever created.
Gwen & Rhys are now tied for my all-time favorite Torchwood characters.
I hate Jack now. I hate him so much, I'm not sure I'll be able to go back to his previous appearances and ever look at him the same way again. I implore the producers of Doctor Who to never show this character again. You did your jobs well, perhaps too well. Unfortunately, one of the sacrifices of great television sometimes is that you end up hating certain characters because they will do things that you cannot forgive. After "Children of Earth," I just can't imagine enjoying Jack as the carefree, fuck-anything-that-moves rogue that he has been in the past.
In fact, I can't really imagine Torchwood continuing at all. If they had to keep it going, I would start fresh with an all-new cast out of Torchwood-Scotland or something. Maybe bring in Gwen as a consultant but that's it.
I hated that Prime Minister. I kept waiting for someone to put a bullet in his brain. In fact, the entire government acted so contemptibly, I won't be satisfied until either Martha resigns from UNIT or we see Brigadier Lethbridge-Stewart come back and fire all of the UNIT officials involved in this affair.
It's ususally overused hyperbole, but when I realized what the aliens were using the children for, my jaw literally dropped.
Today, I watched all 5 parts in one go.
Damn.
I've never been more disturbed by anything in my life. Parts 1 & 2 were decent but I didn't really see what all the fuss was about. Part 3 started getting interesting. Parts 4 & 5 are two of the most haunting hours of television ever created.
Gwen & Rhys are now tied for my all-time favorite Torchwood characters.
I hate Jack now. I hate him so much, I'm not sure I'll be able to go back to his previous appearances and ever look at him the same way again. I implore the producers of Doctor Who to never show this character again. You did your jobs well, perhaps too well. Unfortunately, one of the sacrifices of great television sometimes is that you end up hating certain characters because they will do things that you cannot forgive. After "Children of Earth," I just can't imagine enjoying Jack as the carefree, fuck-anything-that-moves rogue that he has been in the past.
In fact, I can't really imagine Torchwood continuing at all. If they had to keep it going, I would start fresh with an all-new cast out of Torchwood-Scotland or something. Maybe bring in Gwen as a consultant but that's it.
I hated that Prime Minister. I kept waiting for someone to put a bullet in his brain. In fact, the entire government acted so contemptibly, I won't be satisfied until either Martha resigns from UNIT or we see Brigadier Lethbridge-Stewart come back and fire all of the UNIT officials involved in this affair.
It's ususally overused hyperbole, but when I realized what the aliens were using the children for, my jaw literally dropped.
I never bothered watching Children of Earth. I was put off by the fact I didn't like pretty much any other Torchwood I'd seen. And the reason they made Captain Jack immortal would seem to be because he'd have otherwise died of multiple STIs long ago.
But, I'm going to give it a watch. I do believe someone here called it the best TV they'd ever seen, so...it must be good, right?
But, I'm going to give it a watch. I do believe someone here called it the best TV they'd ever seen, so...it must be good, right?
That actually is one of the few random episodes I've seen, and I agree. I wanted that one girl to be the Doctor's new companion.
Best TV EVER? Possibly not, but definitely top ten material, and unebleivably better than the two series that preceeded it.
I might say the best TV in years, not sure I'd say the best TV ever though. I always find "Best ever" hard to define, because what I really enjoy can change with my mood, but I'd definitely put CoE in my personal top 5.
I consider "best ever" to be hyperbole that people should take a little less seriously.
it was without doubt one of the finest seasons of television that the BBC has ever produced.
Me too.
I've had it for months and I just don't have the motivation to watch it. The last two seasons left such a bad taste in my mouth.
Tulin Im not someone who will promote a show to someone who is not interested, Children of Earth is totally worth your time, the last two seasons are nothing compared to CoE.
You have watched the first two seasons, CoE is the pay off, to not watch it would be like taking a girl to dinner, romancing her with fine dinning & an expensive pair of ear rings, only to kiss her good night and go home and watch your Star Trek DVDs.
You have watched the first two seasons, CoE is the pay off, to not watch it would be like taking a girl to dinner, romancing her with fine dinning & an expensive pair of ear rings, only to kiss her good night and go home and watch your Star Trek DVDs.
Skipping Children of Earth because you didn't like earlier Torchwood is kind of like skipping Best of Both Worlds because most of the first season of TNG blew chunks. Same cast, but different writers and showrunner, and a very different set of expectations about what can be done with the show's format -- except that TNG restores the status quo but Children of Earth takes the previous Torchwood format and blows it into a million pieces.
Even if you don't care for Torchwood because you don't like the cast, there are only four regulars from before, and CoE is much more of an ensemble piece, with a lot of other characters in prominent roles. And some really strong performances.
Even if you don't care for Torchwood because you don't like the cast, there are only four regulars from before, and CoE is much more of an ensemble piece, with a lot of other characters in prominent roles. And some really strong performances.
Right, finished watching it.
For a start, it could have been cut down to three hours without losing much important. What the 456 was using the children for was fairly imaginative, but doesn't make too much sense - there are chemicals in children they used as stimulants/drugs, but for some reason they can keep the children alive forever (so presumably use the same child forever) and also make sure that although the child is fully conscious, it feels no pain. But for all their technology, they can't isolate the chemical and create it synthetically. Does the existence of such a chemical only in children even make sense? If it does, I wouldn't know. I can see they're getting at the idea of pre-pubescence, but...meh.
As I said before, I've seen quite a bit of Torchwood, and I'm not much of a fan. None of the characters are especially likeable, least of all Captain Jack himself, whose main trait seems to be that he'd roger anything that moves. So all the focus on the main characters didn't do much for me, and was a lot of padding.
It seems to me that they started out with the ending they wanted, namely Jack sacrificing his grandson to save all the children in the world, and worked backwards. None of that made much sense. The 456 can control all the children in the world to the extent that they can use them to communicate, and with a little jiggery-pokery, the signal can be turned back to kill it, but some child has to die for it. Great.
That said, the performances were mostly good, I wouldn't fault them too much. Still, it's a lot of padding for not much story. All in all, I'd give it 1.5 or maybe 2 out of 5. I'd have got better and more challenging sci-fi watching 5 episodes of The Outer Limits.
As I said before, I've seen quite a bit of Torchwood, and I'm not much of a fan. None of the characters are especially likeable, least of all Captain Jack himself, whose main trait seems to be that he'd roger anything that moves. So all the focus on the main characters didn't do much for me, and was a lot of padding.
It seems to me that they started out with the ending they wanted, namely Jack sacrificing his grandson to save all the children in the world, and worked backwards. None of that made much sense. The 456 can control all the children in the world to the extent that they can use them to communicate, and with a little jiggery-pokery, the signal can be turned back to kill it, but some child has to die for it. Great.
That said, the performances were mostly good, I wouldn't fault them too much. Still, it's a lot of padding for not much story. All in all, I'd give it 1.5 or maybe 2 out of 5. I'd have got better and more challenging sci-fi watching 5 episodes of The Outer Limits.
I fear you are being serious
however in fairness I felt alot of episode 2 was padding.
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