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I am watching DS9 for the first time (some observations)

I'll be starting on ENT next and I'm really (no, not really) looking forward to the mirror universe :rolleyes: episodes. Got so tired of those in DS9. Nothing but pointless filler.

I found the MU ENT episodes quite entertaining, and quite possibly better than several of the DS9 ones. That said, they are kind of filler, but at least for my money they're fun filler.

Besides, there's only two of them. Easily skipped past if you don't care for them.
 
Having finished watching season 2 of Discovery, I can now say that it's definitely better than season 1, and they did a lot of neat things. I still like DS9 and TOS better, but they aren't making any more of them. But Discovery, for me, will rate buying the discs and at least a rewatch or two.
 
Well first things first, Congrats Herbert on finishing DS9. Hopefully I'll be able to discuss it with all of you very soon.
But since I'm only a episode and 9-parter away here's my thoughts on Prodigal Daughter, Emperor's new Cloak, Field of Fire, Chimera and Badda-Bing Badda-Bang

Prodigal Daughter
Alright so I really like the beginning of this episode. Mainly the scenes with Julian and Sisko and Ezri's Sisko convo abt finding Miles, Specifically the parts where Julian explains where Miles has really been and Sisko just doesn't have time for it. especially with lines like
SISKO: "He's not a detective. He's an engineer. He is my Chief Engineer and now he's missing!" SISKO: "So he decided to turn into a one man police force." SISKO: "No, you may not, and I want that report on my desk within the hour."
And His and Ezri's interactions regrading her family and mother.
SISKO: "That's the first good news I've heard all day. Something wrong?"
EZRI: "No. Yes. I don't know. I haven't talked to my mother in almost six months."
SISKO: "Oh."
EZRI: "The last time I saw her was just after I was joined. She came to visit me on Trill and I was still a little confused. When she walked into my room, I put on a big smile, looked her straight in the eye and said, 'Hi, Mom, it's me, Curzon. Things kinda went downhill from there."
SISKO: "I'm sure she understood what you were going through. You weren't prepared to be joined. She couldn't blame you for being confused."
EZRI: "She didn't. Not really. But she did want me to come home to recuperate, and we had a disagreement."
SISKO: "Not for the first time?"
EZRI: "No, not for the first time."
(along with his classic "old man" nickname) It really shows their friendship and is very sweet to watch. Add on the little conversation Ezri and Julian have with both of them relating to being distant with their parents, very nice.
The design of The Tigan is house and New Sydney is great, the cliffside view along with the house hanging over it. A beautiful piece of design. Now for the twist/reveal I pegged it pretty early that Ezri's family and the death of Morica being related, and it does take away some of the mystery and figuring out what happened. I love the dinner scene with Ezri and her family and Nicole De Boer's delivery of the "No, just me. Nothing simple for Ezri" line is my favorite thing. And that shift from "We'll take care of you, won't we?" to "Ezri...you always were too proud for your own good" really tells you that that's something she's said before and then just Ezri's little smile as her face falls....
Now this episode also gives us some insight into some of Ezri's traits before she was joined, Like when she kisses Norvo on the cheek and he doesn't react like its anything new or different. Showing that this is one the traits that stayed with Ezri after she was joined and might go on with later Dax hosts. Along with the other friendship shown in this episode it also to building the Miles/Ezri friendship which is always plus for me. The scene with Miles and Ezri finding out about Morica is exquisite with tension as Miles' behavior suddenly changes and with Ezri asking what's wrong along with music, really makes the scene work. And then with both doing a little investigating to figure what's going on...And my favorite part with Ezri ordering Miles to keep quiet until she finds out the truth and Miles' expression when she does it and him getting how important this is now for her ooooohh I love it. Overall its an alright episode. But man I enjoy(and somewhat relate) to it so much

The Emperor's New Cloak
Alright so the opening was pretty funny with Quark overactions abt Ezri's and Julian interactions and Odo's snark, Max Grodénchik's delivery of "Risa?" and then Odo's line "I think they were holding... hands." :lol:. Along with the scene with Quark and Mirror!Ezri and then the lines "You're a very confused man, aren't you?", "Don't tell me. This is some new kind of therapy? Am I suppose to start talking about my childhood or something?" "I hope not." and
"Hello, Quark. It's me, your Grand Nagus. You'll never guess where I am."
"Risa?"
"If you said Risa, guess again. I'm in the alternate universe!"
And then the little gag with Rom's "I see them, brother. I told you cloaking the cloaking device was a good idea." to "Let's get out of here. Where is it?". I also really love the music that plays when they transport over to the MU, The interactions with Quark & Rom and Mirror!Ezri also have good comedy with them especially with the lines
EZRI: "Don't worry about me. Smiley's right about one thing. If you're found in Alliance territory without the cloaking device, you're dead."
QUARK: "Are you suggesting we should go back home?"
EZRI: "It's the smart move."
QUARK: "Do we look smart to you?"(Armin's delivery of it, is the best).
But even with all of that this episode is very out-of-nowhere for me, since we hadn't had a MU episode since Resurrection and tbh the MU storyline(s) aren't that interesting. And it means that for this episode I didn't understand most of the interactions surrounding factions and The Alliance and such, It also kinda entered a so-bad-its-good territory for me at times with the over-the-topness and ridiculousness of it.
But there is still stuff enjoy from this one, like the "gag" that all Mirror!Garak wants to kill The Intendant and never reaches that goal, And lines like
QUARK: "I suppose we have nothing to lose."
EZRI: "Where do you think you're going?"
QUARK: "With him. He needs my help."
EZRI: "You're a bartender, Quark. What are you going to do? Mix him a drink?"
ROM: "Don't worry, brother. I'm not thirsty".
ROM: "Isodine coupler. Does this look like an isodine coupler to you? I don't see how anything gets fixed around here."
GARAK: "I'd advise you to watch your tone of voice, Ferengi!"
And the scene with Quark, Rom and Zek just clowning on Mirror!Garak for how much he sucks compared to Prime!Garak(almost makes me wish we could've seen Mirror!Garak & Prime!Garak interacting). Overall its a whatever episode, mainly being fun filler(at times) for me.

Field of Fire
Okay so I like how this one brings us right into the action after the opening. Like BAM! Ilario's been murdered and we need to find whodunit. The scene with O'brien, Odo, Sisko and Bashir just talking about the murder and relaying their thoughts and information to eachother I like, showing off each of their knowledge and profession is nice little detail I enjoy. Now the main nitty gritty that's really interesting to me is pairing up Ezri and Joran. Given the fact that their both outcast Trills with the Dax symbiont(Joran a murderer, Ezri who didn't want to be joined) It makes their interactions have alot of hidden complexities to them. The snarkyness of Joran combined with Ezri's resistance to his advice, with it slowly building up to them understanding eachother and actually beginning to somewhat like eachother as well. Along with finishing it off by Joran being closer to Ezri then the other Dax hosts really adding on the differences and with Ezri being her own person and settling in to her identity. And the twist with killer being Vulcan its all very nice, reminds of Meld with the way they explored violence and Vulcans.
I also enjoy the scene with Ezri and Worf and showing that their getting more comfortable with eahother(also Morn got a date!) And the line "You are Dax. It is your way" very sweet.
The design of the TR-116 is also good feels like real sci-fi future gun. Along with the targeting sensor and the method of firing as well, a lovely combination of trek's sci-fi elements and weaponry. Overall a pretty good episode

Chimera
Now tbh I'm not a fan of how the explored this idea/concept with a changeling who's not a part of the founders. I feel that having another changeling try and convince Odo to leave DS9(and almost be successful as well) was already done in Favor in the Bold and I didn't care for that aspect of that story very much, I was half-way betting as well that he was going a Founder in disguise(just based on how similar his rhetoric was). Now it's mainly just dislike on part with direction their taking Odo's character regrading The Founders and that It feels like a retread of story element we already heard. Tho are some things I like, the little scene with Miles trying to buy a gift off of Odo, and the overall thing Kira letting Odo go because she loves him that much is beautiful. And then ending it with Odo realizing that and expressing his love for Kira by shape-shifting, very nice. But Overall an alright episode, one I'm not particularly fond of.

Badda-Bing Badda-Bang
Hm...Now I'm a little torn on this one, in works in some places for me, and doesn't in others. But i'll start with some positives.
The keeping of continuity is always a nice DS9 touch as always with Nog being extra protective of Vic, and Kira remembering how he set her and Odo up. The interactions between Sisko and the crew regrading are fun in beginning, the line "I see. When do you plan on to going back to work?" :lol: gives me a nice chuckle. Sisko and Kaisdy interactions in their(?) quarters are very good as well(especially the camera work which I appreciate) The little fact the rivalry between Frankie and Vic started because he beat him at stickball, pretty funny just for silliness of it. And then when everyone decides to pull off a heist, while Vic's just like "you guys are crazy! count me in!". As well just other over-the-topness of the program, Like Cicci getting all rough with chef about cheesesteak. The scene with Sisko and Kasidy discussing essentially what the proper way to engage with Vic's program and the accuracy of it and we should or should'nt engage with it, was very poignant to me as a Black person, to have 2 Black characters actively discussing nature of the program and take opposing views regarding is really good touch I'm glad they included :techman:. But I wouldn't remised if I didn't bring up the fact with how compared to the male character most of female characters take the role of being distractions where as the male characters are active parts of the heist. The music here tho is marvelous(tho that may just be the Jazz fan in me ;)) and the scene with Sisko and Vic just dueting is all kinds of fun.
But I found the plot starter in this one a little contrived, like everything works perfectly fine with Vic's until now where the crew needs to pull heist :rolleyes:. And in some parts I was entertained like when their listing off everyone's role in the heist and how the plan supposed go, but then other parts I was just bored and a bit disinterested. But Overall a fun little heist episode
 
Alright, I've finished DS9

Inter Arma Enim Slient Leges
Now I'm not a fan this one, Exploring the darker side of The Federation is one of the consistent praised points of DS9. But here with Ross & S31 setting Cretak and just felt too dark for me. And it didn't clear up some of the questions I had regrading S31, and tbh it was boring at times for me. It was seeing the Intrepid ship & VOY mess hall. Overall an okay episode

Penumbra
I like the beginning of this one with showing how far Sisko has come in regard to his role as Emissary, with him purchasing Bajoran land, him and Kasidy discussing Sarah and The Prophets. in the beginning he was reculent to really place himself in the role & share that view of himself, Now he's fully embraced it, showing off DS9's strongest suit with its character development. The scene with Quark comforting Ezri in classic Quark fashion was so nice, esp in lines like
QUARK: "Absolutely. The night before he went on patrol, he brought the Koraga's crew in here and bought them three barrels of bloodwine."
EZRI: "And?"
QUARK: "And he didn't pay the tab. Do you really think he'd go to Sto'Vo'Kor owing me money?"
EZRI: "He doesn't even like you."
QUARK: "Exactly. He couldn't enjoy the afterlife knowing I had something on him." :lol:
And the scene with Damar & Weyoun discussing The Founder with exchange
DAMAR: "I wonder what she does in her quarters all day? She didn't look well the last time I saw her. I hope she's not ill."
WEYOUN: "How can a god be ill?"
DAMAR: "Maybe she's not a god." And then Weyoun's disgusted look afterwords.
The animosity between them also sets up Damar's arc which I enjoy quite it(per my icon). Now the way they set up Ezri-goes-Worf plotline didn't well with me, It felt like they undid alot of episodes that had Ezri separating herself from Jadzia by having her go to her into as listen(?) to all her/Jadzia's & Worf's memory. Tho I did like Sisko line
SISKO: "She's a Dax. Sometimes they don't think. They just do." Showing his experience with not 1, not 2 but 3 Daxes.
And then Ezri trying to fake him out with "static interference" and then caption (Dax imitating static) :guffaw:. Now while I usually don't enjoy romance centered scenes the proposal scene with Sisko & Kasidy was so sweet and good keeping the usual flair with their interactions(SISKO: "If you want to play hard to get. Ah ha." KASIDY: "What a beautiful ring.") tho also taking sadder undertones given Sisko fate in What You Leave Behind (But thats a essay for later). The Klingon opera with Ezri & Worf in the runabout was also great, the prodding and back-and-forth really adding to my enjoyment. Tho the scenes after didn't and I found rather awkward, the conflict just didn't work for me and they felt thorny. Overall a good episode

Til Death Do Us Part
So this one puts right where we left off, along with Jake & Sisko and interactions with Jake showing his muddy relationship with The Prophets. And then Winn's classic passive agressivism
WINN: "I wouldn't know, as they've never spoken to me directly" And then her joy upon speaking with The Prophets and subsequent confusion when The Prophets aren't as clear as she assumed, along with Kira's worried look as she wonders when Winn reveals what's wrong and how she will take the vision. The scene with Weyoun and Damar with Weyoun's insults and Damar general disheveledness and revealing how unslick he thought he was trying to hide that Dukat wasn't there. And the moment where Damar looks himself(and really stares) only for him to turn away, great acting by Casey Biggs as Damar really realizes what he's become. Now I didn't like drama surrounding whether or not Ben would marry Kasidy, it just felt too much like a Will they, Won't they situation, but the part where Kasidy silently packs up her bag and leaves without saying a word is so tragic and heartbreaking, they love eachother but certain forces seem destined to keep them apart :weep:.
I also wasn't a fan of this episode setting up Ezri/Julian romance which felt very contrived and out-of-nowhere in the same vein of C/7. The scene with Winn revealing why Dukat's really with Duakt's face has she says that he was sent to her to be her guide from The Prophets was hilarious(in a dramatic irony kinda of way) since he follows The Pai-Wraiths, and is now working(at least for the time being) for the enemy. Then going to Quark & SIsko scene where Quark is clearly out of his element delivering the ring to Sisko and then the line QUARK: "It seems a shame to let something so beautiful go to waste."
With the deceleration at the end near the airlock, and then Sisko's and Kasidy's wedding with all of the senior staff there very good, I only some of Kasidy's crew could've shown of up aswell, since they didn't a good job at really developing Kasidy out side here relationship to Ben, Overall a good episode.

Strange Bedfellows
The animosity between Weyoun and Damar ramps up making his defection all more forthcoming. Then with Ezri & Worf hanging upside down(why did Weyoun/The Breen do that?) along with a great exchange
EZRI: "I hate to say it, but this is doing wonders for my back."
WORF: "I doubt that is what our captors had in mind."
EZRI: "Probably not."
And the part where it all comes to a head with Worf killing Weyoun and then just laughing and snarking
DAMAR: "Overconfidence. The hallmark of the Weyouns. Maybe the Founders should eliminate that from your genetic recipe next time. They'll just make another copy of him, you know. You should've killed me. There's only one Damar." Then Worf's bite back
WORF: "I will keep that in mind." I also always found it funny how Kai Winn says "Who are you?" and then when Dukat is rightfully is confused and taken aback when she says that out of nowhere she just repeats "I mean, who are you, Anjohl Tennan? I want to know everything about your family, your childhood." Like he's the idiot. And then scene where its confirmed Winn's been speaking to the Pai-wraiths with Winn shock and horror juxtaposed with Dukat's smirk and smile as he leaves her quarters. The delivery of "Well hello" and Damar's smug happiness has Weyoun is dead and replaced immediately taken away as more of his power is taken away and he and Cardassia's influence is taken away. And the look he has as he just slightly shakes, oh yeah you tell this is the last straw. Then the little scene where Quark, Miles and Bashir just have some little regarding them being missing( but somewhat cut down as tries to set up a romance with Ezri & Juilan)
Leading to Winn & Dukat and Dukat trying to convert Winn to Pai-wraiths, then just for tell him to "Get out!" with such anger to see him slipping back his real voice and let the mask slip. The just for Kai Winn to breakdown crying.... To have just trying to talk to The Prophets and getting no response only to call Kira, And for their heart-to-heart and Winn juts lets it all out and breakdown and open up and admit to Kira that she wants change with Kira telling her "that the worse of us can change" Just to see it fall it apart as even with that admission Winn still can't see past her thirst for power and just Kira face looking so disappointed, she tried, she really tried, she hoped that finally after so long Winn had started to see the light just for it be cut down as she slips right back into her ways. And then the parallel with the mirror as Damar throws it and then his face falls as he once again realizes what he's become. And the Ezri's & Worf heart-to-heart as Worf finally admits opens up & him and Ezri finally make boundaries and move their friendship(and more!) forward esp poignant with the line
EZRI: "Worf, we're not gods or prophets. We're people. We make mistakes." Cut to Damar letting them go and then his feel of i've got smth planned with lines
DAMAR: "You're the one that put the Jem'Hadar in charge of the detention area."
DAMAR: "Oh, I'm sure she'll understand. But if she doesn't, I look forward to meeting Weyoun Nine." And then we see Winn's downfall as her anger leads her to Pai-wraiths fully embracing them and their "love". Overall a great episode

The Changing Face of Evil
Alright, Bringing us right into the action with The Breen acttacking Earth, then for Damar to try and stir up shit with The Breen and The Dominion, with the relationship between Cardassia and then Damar conferring with Rusot to begin rebelling and taking back Cardassia. I also like how I got somewhat invested in Solbar, and his distain for "Anjohl" (props to James Otis) as he watches the Kai go down a dark path. I also enjoyed the Miles & Bashir interaction regarding The Alamo model, with talking to Quark abt a possible attack and then immediately going right back into program while Quark just stands anxious. And the pan to Ezri & Worf just discussing them and Ezri "feelings :rolleyes:" for Bashir. But there still is nice quality to the interaction
WORF: "He is a child."
EZRI: "Miles does have a certain cherubic quality."
WORF: "I was talking about Doctor Bashir, and you know it. Are you certain he's the one?"
EZRI: "You're a good friend, Worf."
WORF: "I know." I also love the part where Weyoun tries to engage Damar in some conversation, then to see him realize Damar's missing a bottle, then he thinks that "Finally! Damar has come to his senses and realized where he stands" oh what a rude awaking he's gonna get. The scene with Kasidy & Sisko discussing his actions regrading her cargo runs, and Kasidy standing up for herself and setting boundaries, really liked that :techman:. The scene with the Defiant crew doing per-flight checks while talking to eachother them is so good really emphasizes the ties and relationship build up with these characters. And all those ships flying into battle god I love it, DS9 giving the best ship porn. And Goodbye to the Defiant, a good ship gone too soon, And then Solbor realization as he sees how Winn has betrays them and then added punch that all The Kosst Amojan needed was the blood of a Vedek to reveal the texts. And only that but Damar's speech across the quadrant, mirroring Dukat's speech when The Dominion first arrived. Chills. Overall a pretty good episode.

When It Rains...
So ofc the first thing is irony, irony at that fact that a ex-spy, Ziyal's murderer and bajoran freedom fighter, have to work together with eachother to teach cardassians to be a resistance cell. Now Gorwon coming to DS9 after being absent felt out of place for me, like they couldn't find a way to make drama anywhere else, I'm also not a fan Ezri/Julian plotline, the romance is so out-of-nowhere and forced that it doesn't feel believable to me, and it falls right into Will they, Won't They Territory which is a trope I am absolutely sick of why they simply couldn't have Ezri & Julian be friends and handle Ezri's character that didn't just boil to her romantic relationships is forever a mystery. a very irritating mystery :censored:. The S31 stuff aswell I didn't care for, alot of things I'd ended up enjoying was during The Cardassian resistance plotline. This episode is also goes by faster/ seems alot shorter to me than the other ones for some reason perhaps my boredom regrading this at times. Overall an alright episode

Tacking Into the Wind
So this one is alot more engaging for me than When It Rains... Such as the Garak & Odo scene when he admits that he's been keeping his condition a secret to Kira, only for us to learn that Kira knows and is just a secret herself that she already and is just sparing(?) his feelings. This episode also sets up some Miles & Bashir conflict which plays out in Extreme Measures But that episode was disappointing to me (more in that review(?)). The Founder & Weyoun relationship here is also shown breaking down here in the same vein of The Founder themselves, This one also gets into the minutiae of Kilngon poltics and The Empire. The tension between Rusot and Kira is also strong aspect here, esp the part after Kira kicks Rusot ass and then Garak coming out of the shadows giving his advice to Kira very in character & cool. And the part where Damar revives the news of family's murder and the exchange
DAMAR: "They're dead. They weren't a part of this rebellion. The Dominion knew that, the Founder knew that. Weyoun knew that. To kill her and my son. The casual brutality of it. A waste of life. What kind of state tolerates the murder of innocent women and children? What kind of people give those orders?"
KIRA: "Yeah, Damar, what kind of people give those orders?"
With Damar immediate shock as he steps forward knowing exactly what she's talking only to realize Kira's right and walk away and then Garak's reasuroes at the end
KIRA: "Oh, that was stupid."
GARAK: "Not at all. Damar has a certain romanticism about the past. He could use a dose of cold water."
KIRA: "I could have picked a better time."
GARAK: "If he's the man to lead a new Cardassia, if he's the man we hope him to be, then the pain of this news made him more receptive to what you said, not less."
And then Ezri & Worf's convo abt The Empire with fun exchanges
EZRI: "That's very sweet of him."
WORF: "Sweet?"
EZRI: "Not a very Klingon word, is it?"
WORF: "No."
EZRI: "It's very honourable."
WORF: "Better, albeit a little obvious. Now, tell me what you think."
But getting into the serious stuff with Ezri's opinion on The Empire, and inner unhonorable politics, and deep corruption runs in it with Worf just taking it all in, thinking over her thoughts. And the leading scene with Worf's fight with Gorwon just standing and simply saying "No." and pulling no punches with calling Gorwon out. And the conculsion with Martok finally being back in leader position.
And then comes my favorite scene(I even made part of it my icon!) where the tension finally reaches it breaking point, with Kira just trying to comfront Odo as Rusot and Garak tug it out, just lines & exchanges like this one building it all up.
RUSOT: "You're still a Cardassian, Garak. You're not going to kill one of your own people for a Bajoran woman."
GARAK: "How little you understand me." And the final point
RUSOT: "Damar, shoot him. We can kill them both and keep the Breen weapon for ourselves. I believe in you, Damar. I know you're the right man to restore the Empire we loyally served. The Empire we loved. Together we can lead our people to greatness again. Just aim and fire."
"DAMAR: He was my friend. But his Cardassia's dead, and it won't be coming back." And everyone's reaction as Damar looks over him just shock and surprise. Beautifully showing how serious Damar is abt the rebellion. Overall a great episode

Extreme Measures
The scene with Odo asking Kira leave because he doesn't want see pain as he dies, despite me not being fan of the development of their romance once the writiers got with they made it work. Very sweet and sad scene. Some small fun interactions here are also nice
O'BRIEN: "Sir, we should inform you that research is not the only avenue we've been pursuing."
BASHIR: "Miles."
O'BRIEN: "He needs to know."
SISKO: "Whatever's going on, I want to know it right now." Now the premise of this episode sounds right up my alley, a trip into someone's mind episode are usually some of my favorites tho they are a bit rare in regards to Star Trek , But here I feel that didn't push the concept far enough, I also kind of wonder how Sloan didn't antiscipate the possibility that Bashir could've had bait, or that cure message could've been faked. And the scene where Bashir & Miles just sit and talk on their "deathbed" seems clunky to me. Tho there are so fun interactions
BASHIR: "You mean we can let go?"
O'BRIEN: "I don't see why not. Well?"
BASHIR: "Well what? You first."
O'BRIEN: "Oh, no. This little trip wasn't my idea."
BASHIR: "All right, we'll let go together."
O'BRIEN: "On the count of three."
BASHIR + O'BRIEN: "One, two, three."
BASHIR: "See? Nothing to worry about."
O'BRIEN: "I wasn't worried." But other than few sparse things I felt this one was out of place. Overall a whatever episode

The Dogs of War
Alright so the Defiant's back (Not The Defiant but you get my gist) although I don't really see the purpose in destroying the Defiant only to bring a ship of the same class and then change the name back to the old one, feels like it cheapens the moment a bit. And another part this storyline I don't care is once again Ezri/Julian romance, once again repeating myself, I don't get this romance Julian & Ezri friendship wasn't really explored enough to make a believable foundation for a romance and it overall felt like they just paired these characters together just to have characters in romantic relationship.
And then wrapping up of the Ferengi plotlines, which are tonally at odds with rest of storylines, I feel it would've been better to wrap these up before finishing out the series. This also weird vibes with Qurak being constantly against the reforms, its in character but watching it during this political climate just feels odd. And then just Quark's ranting as Rom just buy the bar
ROM: "There's something to be said for keeping prices down by ensuring healthy competition. So what are you going to do with the bar?"
QUARK: "You can't even dump industrial waste anymore because it might harm the natural habitat. I'm supposed to start worrying about animals now? Look how they live, wallowing in dirt, sleeping in trees. That's not natural."
ROM: "I suppose you could argue that Ferenginar's biodiversity is a precious resource that belongs to everyone. So, what are you going to do with the bar?"
QUARK: "And don't even get me started about this whole labour rights thing. What have we come to if you can't demand sexual favors from people in your employ?"
ROM: "Unharassed workers are productive workers. SO, WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO WITH THE BAR?"
But this one doesn't really do anything for idk, It has moments with advancing the Cardassian resistance plot, but Overall another whatever episode.

What You Leave Behind
I loved the interactions between the O'brien's with eachother
KEIKO: "Sounds good to me. Speaking of Julian. Have you told him about Starfleet's offer yet?"
O'BRIEN: "No, not yet."
MOLLY: "I knew it."
O'BRIEN: "What's that supposed to mean?"
MOLLY: "We're not going back to Earth."
O'BRIEN: "Of course we are. Daddy's going to teach at the Academy, when the war's over."
MOLLY: "Then why haven't you told Julian?"
KEIKO: "Out of the mouth of babes."
O'BRIEN: "I'll tell him, you know, when I think he's ready to hear it."
Even tho we don't see them often I still love the finale gave us the O'Brien the family man aspect in the end. And they twist the knife on this already heart-gunching episode
KASIDY: "Ben? Promise me something. Promise that you'll come home to us." :wah:.
The ship porn in this one is also great hopefully one day we'll get DS9/VOY remaster these battle scenes would look even more impressive than they already are. along with the just scene with fleet just flying to Cardassia, so many shapes, sizes, colors, styles really emphasizes that this a unified fleet ready to put a end to this war. Now the Pai-wraith plotline wasn't as good as others around them, since it was all but forgotten in the last 2 episodes, which I feel made it suffer writing wise compared to Cardassia rebellion, and finishing the war arcs. I love the battle sequences here and that feeling triumph as Cardassian ships start attacking The Dominion after seeing many Federation ships go down, amazing. And then Cardassian soldier defecting from The Dominion and then lines
EKOOR: "That's for Lakarian City. Legate Damar, I pledge my life to free Cardassia from the Dominion."
DAMAR: "With men like you on our side, how can we fail?" And then tragedy of Broca one of few loyal Cardassian left, only to killed by The Founders he trusted, and last knowledge being that his people where going to killed a masse, and Damar leading the rebellion into the complex. And omg The scene where we see the Dominion defense premintier just all those ships, the music, the camera fully showing off the Dominion's guns, God what sequence. And oh Damar's death at least he got what he wanted, a freed Cardassia but only rubble and leveled building left of it. But the main core of sadness in this episode is the goodbyes everyone leaving behind close friends, family, people that they loved. Garak's admission of Cardassians, millions of deaths at the hands of The Dominion and Garak's final lines
GARAK: "Oh, it's quite all right, Doctor. You've been such a good friend. I'm going to miss our lunches together."
BASHIR: "I'm sure we'll see each other again."
GARAK: "I'd like to think so, but one can never say. We live in uncertain times." And the Bar scene with Sisko's toast to everyone at the near(and Worf's Minsk) and then Vic's sendoff with The Way You Look Tonight . But the final scene with Jake & Kira looking out on the wormhole, the two people who didn't want Sisko to be the emissary, as the DS9 theme plays with just the horn along in the background.... Overall a amazing episode with a beautiful send off for the series. And such a tear-jerker. Overall I'm so glad I watched the series and can call myself a Niner, Thank you DS9, Thank you.
 
I've been sick for about a week, and for the second time in the past month. I have the time to stop and watch DS9 again. If I recall correctly, I left off needing to watch "Crossover", an episode I'm not entirely looking forward to, as I've never really been a fan of the Mirror Universe.
 
I've been sick for about a week, and for the second time in the past month. I have the time to stop and watch DS9 again. If I recall correctly, I left off needing to watch "Crossover", an episode I'm not entirely looking forward to, as I've never really been a fan of the Mirror Universe.

Your goal for 2021 - finish season 2 AND 3. ;)
 
Seasons 2 and 3 are some interesting journeys for our heroes and villains; a lot facets going on during those seasons. It had layers of making these characters 3 dimensional and the ride maybe a little long but interesting IMO.

For me, Season 3 is when DS9 really hit it's stride. It also gave us the brilliant Improbable Cause / The Die is Cast (my favorite of the two-parter bunch).

It's also where I started watching from during it's run, which likely has some influence. Good timing. :D
 
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Hey everyone.

Things have been fairly busy lately, and I'm anticipating COVID test number seven later this week. I want to get back to DS9 soon; IIRC, I left off about to watch "Crossover".

I do have one other project going on, reading Ed Wood's book Hollywood Rat Race, with plans to review it for the RiffTrax Facebook group.
 
I'm about 6 episodes into a DS9 rewatch. It's been about 5 years since I finished my last complete watch through of DS9. I agree with the OP that DS9 puts DSC to shame. But I have one big question. Season 1 has several episodes already with aliens from the other side of the wormhole. I don't remember if this was addressed later when the Dominion conflict came. Did the Dominion conquer all these worlds? Or did the writers simply forget them?
 
I don't believe most of the GQ aliens seen in earlier seasons of DS9 ever reappear, but keep in mind that Dominion space didn't immediately start at the GQ side of the wormhole either. While it's likely the Dominion took a greater interest in that vicinity and may have conquered some of the races we were initially introduced to, it's possible that some or all of them were untouched by later events.
 
Hey everyone.

Things have been fairly busy lately, and I'm anticipating COVID test number seven later this week. I want to get back to DS9 soon; IIRC, I left off about to watch "Crossover".

I do have one other project going on, reading Ed Wood's book Hollywood Rat Race, with plans to review it for the RiffTrax Facebook group.

If you skip the MU episodes you will miss nothing as to the overall main story. They tell their own arc that can be skipped like a side mission in a sprawling open world RPG.

- Love your name by the way. A great poster on Chicitysports has that same name. Strangelove was a great film.
 
I'm about 6 episodes into a DS9 rewatch. It's been about 5 years since I finished my last complete watch through of DS9. I agree with the OP that DS9 puts DSC to shame. But I have one big question. Season 1 has several episodes already with aliens from the other side of the wormhole. I don't remember if this was addressed later when the Dominion conflict came. Did the Dominion conquer all these worlds? Or did the writers simply forget them?

My take is that they were like out of the way colonies in the colonial era. The Dominion claimed them, but for the most part left them alone as long as they didn't cause trouble. They worked with local rulers rather than sending their own governor and officials.

But once the wormhole was discovered and in use by ships from the Alpha Quadrant it suddenly became much more interesting. Ships investigating the Alpha Quadrant would be sent through, and at least an outpost monitoring Alpha Quadrant ships coming through the wormhole and what they were doing after that.
 
Turns out the Wadi were agents of the Dominion and the "game" was a tool for developing psychological profiles for Our Heroes that would later be used against them in "The Search".
 
I'm about 6 episodes into a DS9 rewatch. It's been about 5 years since I finished my last complete watch through of DS9. I agree with the OP that DS9 puts DSC to shame. But I have one big question. Season 1 has several episodes already with aliens from the other side of the wormhole. I don't remember if this was addressed later when the Dominion conflict came. Did the Dominion conquer all these worlds? Or did the writers simply forget them?
I believe that RHW described the Dominion as a power that was just expanding into the area where the wormhole was, not unlike how the Federation was expanding into the area near Cardassia. Some of the species we see early on were not necessarily part of Dominion conquered territory, but were client states. In the early conception, the Vorta were more of an active diplomatic force, which secured agreements with species that made them dependencies of the Dominion. If they refused, the Dominion sent in the Jem'hadar.
 
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