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How big was the Enterprise?

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They haven't though?

There was only a brief period in the nineties when TAS was in limbo, being left out of certain official publications. But even the writers of then-current shows referenced it.

It's been fully back in the official continuity since the mid-2000s.

At a minimum, Lower Decks is dragging all of its TAS references into continuity, many of which are actual plot points, and Lower Decks is holding hands with Strange New Worlds.
 
They haven't though?

There was only a brief period in the nineties when TAS was in limbo, being left out of certain official publications. But even the writers of then-current shows referenced it.

It's been fully back in the official continuity since the mid-2000s.
Indeed. Taking TAS out of continuity was ridiculous in the first place and it's being included widens the universe.
 
It's been fully back in the official continuity since the mid-2000s.

It was used by the licensing regime, but there wasn't an official continuity in the mid-2000s. For several years, no one was making Star Trek. It seems to have been treated similarly by the reboot films as it was in the 90s.

I also hadn't realized that Roddenberry regarded significant parts of TOS as having been out of continuity when he was working on TNG.
 
I also hadn't realized that Roddenberry regarded significant parts of TOS as having been out of continuity when he was working on TNG.
I think he (or Maizlish) decided anything that he hadn't personally written was not "canon" at one point. He supposedly claimed TFF was apocryphal, and probably felt the same about the other Bennett movies for which he was frozen out.
 
I think he (or Maizlish) decided anything that he hadn't personally written was not "canon" at one point. He supposedly claimed TFF was apocryphal, and probably felt the same about the other Bennett movies for which he was frozen out.
Isn't there a story that says Roddenberry leaked the death of Spock in TWOK to the fans because he was upset about being pushed upstairs into an Executive Producer role and was shut out of the script writing.
 
And it's full of massive inconsistencies and contradictions.
So is an episode.

Even from an official standpoint, "The Cage" and most of TAS have been considered out of continuity for almost forty years.
The Cage never aired. And (mi mi mi mi mi miiiiiiiii) OF COURSE TAS IS CANON.

At a minimum, Lower Decks is dragging all of its TAS references into continuity, many of which are actual plot points, and Lower Decks is holding hands with Strange New Worlds.
TAS never left. You don't have scripts by, well, EVERYONE, Roddenberry with a producer credit, run by DC Fontana, and, oh, THE ORIGINAL CAST and say "Naaaa."

If TAS is in continuity what's the deal with April?
What's the deal with the Gorn? What's the deal with CHAPEL?
 
The usefulness of that is in setting limits on which works "count" when sifting through the narrative recreationally. It's a player contrivance, not a matter of authorial intent.
Since people don't agree on it and there are no arbiters that matter, what limits are set?

The existance of canon is a delusion.
 
I realize this is eight months old, but I missed it before. But I don't think anything about the TMP engine room layout is "telling" about anything in TOS.
Yeah! Some of those TMP sets were too large to be inside the Connie refit. Hollywood is incorrigible. Even with a 1000-foot long ship, they make the inside bigger than the outside. It almost never fails.

@HotRod: a standup comic should tell sci-fi jokes while doing a Jerry Seinfeld impression. He could call himself Jerry Spacefeld. I would eat that up. :bolian:
 
The Engine room itself wasn't too big for the ship, but the top room where Kirk enters and the corridors we see don't fit with where Probert placed the room. The sets were built before he did his proposed internal layout, so it's really just a mismatch between his idea and the sets as built. The only other main set I can think of that really doesn't fit is the Rec Deck, which is too tall.

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The Cage never aired.

It was actually broadcast in October 1988, during the Writers' Guild strike (before the start of TNG's second season).

Since people don't agree on it and there are no arbiters that matter, what limits are set?

The limits are whatever the players at any time agree on. It doesn't really matter, because it's a Game.


There's also the sense of "the literary canon," which is essentially synonymous with "the classics," and is an amorphous gradient beginning with the more popular films and episodes, e.g. "The Menagerie," "Amok Time," "Balance of Terror."

Most people haven't watched very much Star Trek, but there are some parts of it that essentially everyone knows.
 
This one. 0 50 100 200.
It's the only sequence of numbers that makes sense in the context of the width of the blobs* and the position of the blobs** above the discernible scale bar (you can make out that it is segmented. Both now and back then.)

The problem with using this measurement, though, is that we have more reason to think that the scale in-universe isn't printed in feet than that it is.
 
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