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How big was the Enterprise?

Insert any trek concept in that and it plays out exactly the same. Fandom needs time to adjust to any concept.

Other things that took time to be accepted:
ridged klingons
Picard and Crew
Space Station setting
Voyager in general
Enterprise in general

What people like is rather tangential to the point being made. It's not like anyone though having Starfleet officers on space stations broke continuity, for example.
 
This guy, a Northerner from Picard, got ridges. If fact his name should be "Ruffles".
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he's got vulcanoid "neeson brows" XD and nose bridge, then deep creases around those and the bulge
not the distinct ridges
What I call the "Nero bulge."
i was thinking it reminds me more of the st09 "we subtly fattened the romulans' heads/bones", yeah
almost Mintakan, even...


interestingly, i was looking at screen caps and BTS pics of the modeling process of the skulls in confedPicard's trophy room, and the one that is meant to be sarek's apears to have very faint versions of the v-ridges, the kind of features you wouldn't really notice with muscle and skin covering it... and then the klingon skull that's supposed to be martok's they didn't seem to bother to make have his pattern, okay, you made him a discogon, at least give him his pattern! weird combo of thought vs lack of thought, idk... artist maybe wasn't told they would be specific peoples' skulls.
 
I haven't read the whole thread, so apologies if this has Been brought up, but in regards the "northerner" thing, this was an inside joke based on a jest GR made way back when ST: TMP first introduced the (then) new Klingons, saying that the old ones were southern Klingons and the new ones were northern Klingons.
 
Indeed. As mentioned before, I'm old enough to remember when certain Discovery fans were angry about folks saying the Discoprise had been enlarged and thus couldn't possibly be refitted into the TOS ship, declaring the enlargement claim as false and coming from the evil anti-Disco crowd who rejected the retcons. Then it was maybe happening but just by Eaglemoss, then it was on background text, then it became official. Now the size change is good and no one ever disliked the idea and only haters think it's bad.
Another thing to consider is that when Spock first meets Number One in the Short Treks episode "Q & A", that short takes place before "The Cage". And guess what? The Enterprise looked like the DSC/SNW Enterprise, not the Enterprise from "The Cage".

So, some would have us believe that we go from the SNW Enterprise to the Cage Enterprise back to the SNW Enterprise and then to the TOS Enterprise. Which just sounds ridiculous. After a certain point, Occam's Razor applies. It's much easier to just treat it like two different versions of the Enterprise.

Either... Glass Half Full: some people honestly forget about "Q & A" or, Glass Half Empty: they hoped no one would remember. Which one is actually the case? We'll leave that question open-ended.
 
Story continuity is not and has never been the same thing as visual continuity. The Enterprise looked one way in 1966, and it looks a different way in 2025.

Does any of that affect the stories that have been told? Of course, it doesn’t.
This.

If I treat SNW separate from TOS what have I lost?

Honestly, TOS stands apart for me. It's unrelated to anything that follows.
 
Either... Glass Half Full: some people honestly forget about "Q & A" or, Glass Half Empty: they hoped no one would remember. Which one is actually the case? We'll leave that question open-ended.
That's the peril of me not watching the show. I would do that awful "notice things" thing we aren't supposed to do.
 
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