How big was the Enterprise?

[TIN_MAN]

I vaguely recall reading that it was 150% of the 947 foot length, which would be 1420.5.

Amusingly enough, I believe even at that size the original shuttle hangar model (as first seen in "Galileo 7") is still too big to fit, if I recall correctly, it needs to be closer to 1600 feet to accommodate that model.

With that kind of scale, we could almost justify the 20-deck saucer from the early TOS eps, based in-turn on an early rev of the writer's guide.

 

[Mytran]

I vaguely recall reading that it was 150% of the 947 foot length, which would be 1420.5.

Amusingly enough, I believe even at that size the original shuttle hangar model (as first seen in "Galileo 7") is still too big to fit, if I recall correctly, it needs to be closer to 1600 feet to accommodate that model.

The original flight deck model was built 122' long, to scale with a shuttlecraft of 21' in length.
If Drexler's cutaway shows a ship of 1,420' then the flight deck and shuttles would be consistent with this figure. The people are around 6' in height too.

 

[knightgrace]

The original flight deck model was 122 feet long??????

Computer model or physical???

 

[Forbin]

The original flight deck model was 122 feet long??????

Computer model or physical???

Dude, it was 1966, what do you think?
And he means to scale, not actual.

 

[blssdwlf]

I vaguely recall reading that it was 150% of the 947 foot length, which would be 1420.5.

Amusingly enough, I believe even at that size the original shuttle hangar model (as first seen in "Galileo 7") is still too big to fit, if I recall correctly, it needs to be closer to 1600 feet to accommodate that model.

Nah. The original shuttle flight deck as seen in "The Galileo Seven" will fit with the alcoves shaved off in a 947' ship. In a 1080' ship it will fit with no problems.

But if you scale the shuttle up...

 

[publiusr]

I vaguely recall reading that it was 150% of the 947 foot length, which would be 1420.5.

Amusingly enough, I believe even at that size the original shuttle hangar model (as first seen in "Galileo 7") is still too big to fit, if I recall correctly, it needs to be closer to 1600 feet to accommodate that model.

Then the TAS should be about ISD size?

 

[Henoch]

Nah. The original shuttle flight deck as seen in "The Galileo Seven" will fit with the alcoves shaved off in a 947' ship. In a 1080' ship it will fit with no problems.

But if you scale the shuttle up...

I have several different WIP Enterprise sizes; for a 947' ship I use the 3/4 ratio rule on the hangar model, so the hangar's new dimensions are 122'x3/4 = 91.5' length, etc. The hangar door size fits fairly nice at this scale. I always insert a 24' shuttlecraft per Kirk's dialog in The Galileo Seven. (Note my curved corridors. )


For a ship to fit the 122' length hangar model and also fitting it to the hangar doors again, I found a up-scaled ship size using the 4/3 ratio rule which is 947'x4/3 =1263' which works quite well. YMMV

 

[knightgrace]

Dude, it was 1966, what do you think?
And he means to scale, not actual.

He said 122' which translates to 122 FEET.

He has apparently forgotten the difference between 122' and 122", which is the measurement in inches.

There is a big difference between the two, like twelve fold.

I was asking for clarification. In a gentle manner.

 

[publiusr]

I have several different WIP Enterprise sizes; for a 947' ship I use the 3/4 ratio rule on the hangar model, so the hangar's new dimensions are 122'x3/4 = 91.5' length, etc. The hangar door size fits fairly nice at this scale. I always insert a 24' shuttlecraft per Kirk's dialog in The Galileo Seven. (Note my curved corridors. )
View attachment 47152

For a ship to fit the 122' length hangar model and also fitting it to the hangar doors again, I found a up-scaled ship size using the 4/3 ratio rule which is 947'x4/3 =1263' which works quite well. YMMV
View attachment 47149

I look forward to seeing more.

 

[Mytran]

He said 122' which translates to 122 FEET.

He has apparently forgotten the difference between 122' and 122", which is the measurement in inches.

There is a big difference between the two, like twelve fold.

I was asking for clarification. In a gentle manner.

You are correct, I should have specified that was talking about the purported length of the flight deck, based on the scale of the minature.

We know from Datin's book that the flight deck miniature was 122" long and built at 1:12 scale, hence it represented a flight deck which was 122' long.

SOURCE.
Here's the book

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Enterprise-NCC-1701-Model-Maker/dp/1518644880

and here's the quote:
"According to my figures, (the model) was 10'-2" long, 6'-4" wide by 3'-2" high at the inboard end and 5'-0" wide and 2'-5" high at the outboard end, where the clamshell doors were located."
Datin also mentions the scale of the model was one inch to the foot, ie 1:12

 

[Forbin]

He said 122' which translates to 122 FEET.

He has apparently forgotten the difference between 122' and 122", which is the measurement in inches.

There is a big difference between the two, like twelve fold.

I was asking for clarification. In a gentle manner.

Okay, I assumed he was saying it was meant to be 122 feet to scale.

 

[Shawnster]

I have several different WIP Enterprise sizes; for a 947' ship I use the 3/4 ratio rule on the hangar model, so the hangar's new dimensions are 122'x3/4 = 91.5' length, etc. The hangar door size fits fairly nice at this scale. I always insert a 24' shuttlecraft per Kirk's dialog in The Galileo Seven. (Note my curved corridors. )
View attachment 47152

For a ship to fit the 122' length hangar model and also fitting it to the hangar doors again, I found a up-scaled ship size using the 4/3 ratio rule which is 947'x4/3 =1263' which works quite well. YMMV
View attachment 47149

In the above diagram, how do you walk to the hangar from the front part of the same deck? Do you have to go through the solar rooms?

Likewise, how do you walk from the left side to the right side of the deck? Do you have to go through the front area behind the deflector mechanism?

 

[Henoch]

In the above diagram, how do you walk to the hangar from the front part of the same deck? Do you have to go through the solar rooms?

Likewise, how do you walk from the left side to the right side of the deck? Do you have to go through the front area behind the deflector mechanism?

Yeah, hence my "Work In Progress (WIP)". I try to incorporate the four "hangar deck" scenes from TOS together on one deck, but I thought that I could push aft the forward angled corridors (TDM and LTBYLB) on the main hangar deck, and put the center entry corridor (JTB and TIS) on the deck below it where the shuttlecraft can be serviced off the main flight deck (call it the "blue" room).

Don't expect speedy iterations since my computer drawing skills are very limited as is my drawing package.