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Hear your mofo President swear like a trooper

Well first of all, there is no such thing as "just words". Who here hasn't been hurt by the frank and perhaps unwelcome words of another?
I don't see the point in being hyper sensitive to what other people say, but certainly their is an accountability on both sides. Polite behavior is more than just action. It would be foolish to think that there is such a thing as polite behavior, but when it comes to your words, you can just say anything you want without consequence.

I think that is the ultimate extension of saying that profanity is in everyone's head and are "just words". Because profanity isn't just the words. I can say crap or crud instead and with tone and meaning, be just as offensive. I can be profane in my intent.

And from my point of view, almost always when someone says these words, they are using them to put down someone else or an idea of some kind. In the very least, it is often lazy. When of the reasons I hate profanity in movies is because it lacks imagination and creativity in writing.
Anyone can write a movie where every filler word and expressive word is the f bomb. It takes a more imaginative person to express emotion differently.

And last of all, I don't know why, but when I hear these words a lot, in real life or in a movie, I feel for lack of a better word, violated, like someone stole a part of my innocence. I don't know how to say it, I guess it is just a hollow feeling.
Yeah, when I was a child I got hurt by words. Then I started thinking that they are just that. If someone wants to call me an f'in stupid peice of sh1t, well thats their opinion and the only one that can allow that to bother me, is me.

And I do think we can agree we shouldn't use them on eachother. but like I said earlier there are times when it can be considered exceptable. Like my earlier example, when I stub that ingrown toenail I'm not going to stop and think about what I'm saying. I don't think anyone would. It's going to be a split second reaction, and I can tell you from experiance that it does hurt like fucking hell.
 
And there is always time/place to the use of a swear too. If I forget something I need for my class...I won't swear out loud (in my head...another matter). We tell our students not to swear at school (not professonal, polite, etc) but if I'm around friends/co-workers (in the staff room) and I've forgotton something important, a 'fuck' will slip out :lol:

Trippy, an educated woman, thank you
 
Speaking of that which you have not read is a sign of ignorance. :vulcan:

I don't recall making specific reference to exactly what President Obama said or didn't say.

But my comments on using vulgarity and profanity being a sign of ignorance are still true.
But you did say that ANYONE using profanity, for ANY reason, is ignorant.

You are wrong.

I never posted that in this thread.

In fact, I acknowledged that use of such language on occasion was done by virtually everyone.
 
I don't recall making specific reference to exactly what President Obama said or didn't say.

But my comments on using vulgarity and profanity being a sign of ignorance are still true.
But you did say that ANYONE using profanity, for ANY reason, is ignorant.

You are wrong.

I never posted that in this thread.

In fact, I acknowledged that use of such language on occasion was done by virtually everyone.
you have, and here is the proof.
Swearing and using vulgarity is a sign of ignorance.

Anyone who can't express their thoughts without resorting to profanity and/or vulgarity is showing their level of ignorance.

They are using "shock value" of words to compensate for the lack of logic and reasoning.

That is correct.

When I say people cannot choose, I mean that there are absolute rights and wrongs. And a wrong cannot be right just because it is someones honest and preferred choice.

You say there is an absolute right and wrong, and that foul language is on the wrong side. And your first post in this thread clearly says that use of language is a sign of ignorance. Not, 'sometimes its ok, but for the most part its ignorant.'
 
I don't pat myself on the back about much but I am very, very well read and have a rather large vocabulary. And I curse like a drunken sailor on an everyday and regular basis. I was taught to have some sense of respect for people who are around that might not like it (grandmothers, etc.) but my parents felt that "words are just words". Now, again, I have a respect for people around me who don't agree with that kind of philosophy....that's just common courtesy.

What I have a huge problem with is generalizations. What it amounts to on different levels is prejudice. I am much more offended by people assuming that they know the character and/or intelligence of someone because they say "fuck that shit" a few times. Sometimes saying, "fiddlesticks" just doesn't quite get across the profundity of the situation.
 
Honestly, context is important here. If you have a problem with someone quoting what someone else said and using racial epithets as a consequence, wouldn't you have a problem with Obama's original statements, since he just quoted what someone else said, printing it somewhere else, and using the N word as a consequence.

Don't get me wrong, I do have a problem with that.

However:

It's synonymous with me recounting my life in a video diary, noting when I was called a 'gook'...someone taking it out of context, posting it on a BBS claiming it is 'funny' because I--a person who doesn't find humor in calling another racist epithets--happened to mention the word.

I'm sure some African-American posters can go further; I'm just going on what I know.

I saw a racist epithet posted against African-Americans and spoke against it being used on the Trek board.

I never posted anything against any African-Americans.

...Ah, but you did take the link out of context believing that is the normal way Obama speaks, and thought it humorous...am I right?

That is something I don't agree with.
 
Being ignorant means you don't know something. How does saying "fuck off" indicate that the speaker doesn't know something?

In other words, how exactly is using curse words a sign of ignorance? If you can explain this, I'll change my belief that it is not. It may be a sign of many things, but it's not a sign of ignorance.

Is saying "fuck off" a sign of ignorance in that the speaker doesn't know another way to say "shove off" or "get lost" or "get out of my face?" Because I'm 100% sure anyone who says "fuck off" would know and understand how to use those phrases.

Is saying "fuck off" a sign of ignorance in that the speaker doesn't know, in a general sense, more descriptive and let's call them "highbrow" words? If that is your claim, how do you prove it?

Saying using curse words is a sign of ignorance is a huge generalization, like saying seeing a black person in a theater is a sign that soon you will hear yelling at the screen.

Not true.

What IS TRUE in this thread, is that Dayton was ignorant of the context of the cursing and made a general statement that he or she has heard before, and probably been taught without thinking critically about its truth, application or actual meaning.
 
Swearing and using vulgarity is a sign of ignorance.

I can think of plenty of people who don't swear and do a good job of showing their ignorance.

I can also think of some pretty intelligent, well educated people that aren't hesitant to tell some to "fuck off" or refer to some-one as a "c*nt".

Swearing can be very good for getting a point across.

Sometimes it's the only way to get a point across.

That's why it's know as an attention getter".
 
...Ah, but you did take the link out of context believing that is the normal way Obama speaks, and thought it humorous...am I right?

That is something I don't agree with.

You are far from right. I happen to know how he does and doesn't speak.
I followed his entire campaign, all his major interviews and debates.
Hence I voted for him.

Oh and I did this one little thing, let's see... READ THE ARTICLE.

So that I knew what was going on and didn't blow something totaly out
of proportion and make character accusations against someone I don't know...
 
I think Obama may have finally stumbled upon the proper diplomatic language for handling Iran and North Korea. :)
 
Ah, the link worked now.
That's pretty funny, makes Dayton3 look even more ignorant now that it's obvious he didn't even bother clicking the link and seeing what it's about. :lol:

My computer has certain lockouts that will not let it open such links.

Who installed the lock outs? And why did you comment if you didn't know what this was about?

Speaking of ignorance...

Maybe we should return to the original topic. What do you think?
 
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