Hear your mofo President swear like a trooper

[Brutal Strudel]

Swearing and using vulgarity is a sign of ignorance.

No, it isnt.

No, it's true--just like marijuana is only smoked by people who never achieve anything. You know, like Carl Sagan, Michael Phelps, Bill Gates and the last 3 U.S. presidents.

See? Spewing old canards is just so much easier than actually looking at the world around you and thinking for yourself.

 

[Dayton3]

To be perfectly honest.

No it does not.

We have a Calvinist amongst us, folks.

Dayton3, I've read other comments you've added to various threads and I have developed a feeling for you-you remind me of a Carlin bit I heard-

"The Commandments say killing is a sin and most Christians seem to believe that-unless the other guy worships a different invisible being from the one I worship."

To say that choice is no option is to reveal the primary flaw in the God you worship-for, if there is no choice then it means it's all God's plan operating all of the time(omnipotence) and there should be no capability to commit evil, for God is not evil. Since evil still occurs, it would seem that, since there is no choice according to your world-view, God is neither omnipotent or omniscient, which would logically leave us with a being too flawed to qualify as a God. Personally, I want a little choice. Oh, wait, I seem to have that because I choose not to worship an invisible being who allows evil to exist in the world, who allegedly plays favorites with one group of humans over another(defying something I DO believe in, i.e.-the Declaration of Independence), who orders childrens' brains dashed upon rocks for laughing at an old man's scraggly beard(Ezekiel) and who, quite frankly, has permitted millions to be slaughtered in his name. To steer this back to the original subject-fuck him(or her)! I'll take a president who swears, yet seems to care over an arbitrary, bad-tempered and genocidal diety any day!

I believe God does let us choose. But I what I think Dayton3 means is that you are not free to choose the consequences of your choice. People correctly think that they can do whatever they want, and that leads them to incorrectly think that whatever they want is probably just fine, when it often is not.

That is correct.

When I say people cannot choose, I mean that there are absolute rights and wrongs. And a wrong cannot be right just because it is someones honest and preferred choice.

 

[Dayton3]

Swearing and using vulgarity is a sign of ignorance.

No, it isnt.

No, it's true--just like marijuana is only smoked by people who never achieve anything. You know, like Carl Sagan, Michael Phelps, Bill Gates and the last 3 U.S. presidents.

See? Spewing old canards is just so much easier than actually looking at the world around you and thinking for yourself.

Carl Sagan's accomplishments are vastly overrated.

The man hyped himself more than most politicians. One reason so many of his fellow scientists considered him nothing more than a "popularizer".

I guess that should be in another thread.

Though incidentally, I have read the official biography of Carl Sagan and I'm pretty familiar with his professional, political, and "scientific" life.

 

[Squiggy]

K...but you left out the last 3 US Presidents, the most decorated Olympian in history, and the 3rd richest man in the world.

 

[Kryton]

Imagine what they could have made of themselves if they hadn't been weaklings and law breakers!

 

[Kaziarl]

Hey, guess what curse words are?


Come one, guess.

They're WORDS. Words have definitions and uses. bitch is a curse word, but if you were refering to a female dog it would be a legitiment use of that word. Are you still ignorant then Dayton3?

I have an ingrown toenail. And it hurts, especially when I stub it. Am I ignorant because the first thing I say is 'fuck that hurt' and not, 'oh my, that was rather uncomfortable.'

While I agree that if you only use those words then you are only hurting yourself, I do not think that using them is the only requirement of ignorance. Drill Seargents used to be able to swear at you (new equal opportunity laws in the military, although some DS's still do it anyway.)
You know how hard it is to be come a DS? 1, you have to go through boot camp a second time, only this time it's even harder. 2. you have to be atleast an E-5, which takes a collage degree.

So are you saying that these people, who have been through collage, are ignorant?

As for the n-word. I'll be respectful enough to not say it here, but IMHO, I think it's a little silly to say that anyone who isn't black, isn't alowed to say it because it's degrading and offensive. And then turn around and call yourselves that. That seems a little racist to me actually.

Anyway, thats just my opinion, so disregard if you'd like.

 

[Dayton3]

K...but you left out the last 3 US Presidents, the most decorated Olympian in history, and the 3rd richest man in the world.

Exceptions that prove the rule.

 

[JuanBolio]

Because if a person is forced to use words or phrases that generations of people have found highly offensive to express themselves, they are showing indications of ignorance and should not be taken seriously.

For one thing, few people are FORCED to use these phrases. Most choose to.

Secondly, Obama was quoting someone else in an audio reading of his book when she said those things. Did you even read the article?

 

[warriorsfan]

K...but you left out the last 3 US Presidents, the most decorated Olympian in history, and the 3rd richest man in the world.

Exceptions that prove the rule.

That makes no sense.

 

[Dayton3]

K...but you left out the last 3 US Presidents, the most decorated Olympian in history, and the 3rd richest man in the world.

Exceptions that prove the rule.

That makes no sense.

It is a very common saying that has been around for decades.

The meaning is that notable singular exceptions in no way invalidate generally understood truths.

 

[Dayton3]

Because if a person is forced to use words or phrases that generations of people have found highly offensive to express themselves, they are showing indications of ignorance and should not be taken seriously.

For one thing, few people are FORCED to use these phrases. Most choose to.

Secondly, Obama was quoting someone else in an audio reading of his book when she said those things. Did you even read the article?

I explained why I didn't earlier. School computer. Outside links are restricted to one degree or the other.

 

[JuanBolio]

Speaking of that which you have not read is a sign of ignorance.

 

[Dayton3]

Speaking of that which you have not read is a sign of ignorance.

I don't recall making specific reference to exactly what President Obama said or didn't say.

But my comments on using vulgarity and profanity being a sign of ignorance are still true.

 

[Misfit Toy]

Speaking of that which you have not read is a sign of ignorance.

I don't recall making specific reference to exactly what President Obama said or didn't say.

But my comments on using vulgarity and profanity being a sign of ignorance are still true.

No, they aren't. Prove it.

 

[Kryton]

And provide a link to support your proof.

 

[Kaziarl]

Speaking of that which you have not read is a sign of ignorance.

I don't recall making specific reference to exactly what President Obama said or didn't say.

But my comments on using vulgarity and profanity being a sign of ignorance are still true.

But you did say that ANYONE using profanity, for ANY reason, is ignorant. Now that is a very generalized statement. And while it doesn't specify President Obama, he would be included in that category.

 

[Augustus]

K...but you left out the last 3 US Presidents, the most decorated Olympian in history, and the 3rd richest man in the world.

Exceptions that prove the rule.

That makes no sense.

I like what someone said in this thread. Ok great, 3 presidents and Gates and Phelps smoked pot. But were any of them regular users? Did this contribute to their achievements? Did this lead them on the road to greatness??

If so, why didn't they sell it, and then become involved in more serious criminal activities to further enhance their greatness????

Back to the topic, I think profanity does show ignorance on many occasions. If for only the reason that some people do not want to hear those words and when you say them, other people do hear them.

But also, they are often a crude form of expression anyway and anyone who is serious about being polite and respectful to others would at least not use those words in public.

 

[chardman]

K...but you left out the last 3 US Presidents, the most decorated Olympian in history, and the 3rd richest man in the world.

Exceptions that prove the rule.

Exceptions that prove the rule isn't at all true.

Intentionally limiting one's vocabulary by refusing to acknowledge perfectly useful words is ignorant. And it's about as perfect an example of knee-jerk "Political Correctness" as I've ever seen. What's the matter boy, you a pussy liberal or something?

 

[IndyJones]

But also, they are often a crude form of expression anyway and anyone who is serious about being polite and respectful to others would at least not use those words in public.

I don't get this at all. If people didn't choose to be offended by these words, then they would have no power. They'd just be words. I believe the problem lies in those who are offended, and not in those who use the words...

 

[Augustus]

Well first of all, there is no such thing as "just words". Who here hasn't been hurt by the frank and perhaps unwelcome words of another?
I don't see the point in being hyper sensitive to what other people say, but certainly their is an accountability on both sides. Polite behavior is more than just action. It would be foolish to think that there is such a thing as polite behavior, but when it comes to your words, you can just say anything you want without consequence.

I think that is the ultimate extension of saying that profanity is in everyone's head and are "just words". Because profanity isn't just the words. I can say crap or crud instead and with tone and meaning, be just as offensive. I can be profane in my intent.

And from my point of view, almost always when someone says these words, they are using them to put down someone else or an idea of some kind. In the very least, it is often lazy. When of the reasons I hate profanity in movies is because it lacks imagination and creativity in writing.
Anyone can write a movie where every filler word and expressive word is the f bomb. It takes a more imaginative person to express emotion differently.

And last of all, I don't know why, but when I hear these words a lot, in real life or in a movie, I feel for lack of a better word, violated, like someone stole a part of my innocence. I don't know how to say it, I guess it is just a hollow feeling.