Hawaii Five-0: 1x02 "Ohana" - Discussion and Spoilers

[Star Wolf]

I'm 51. The "smartass/jackass/asshole" has been around for most of my life and the "old fashioned hero type as portrayed by Jack Lord" was on its way out before he filmed a single frame of his "Hawaii 5-0" pilot. A little film he was in called Doctor No probably contributed to its demise.

Guess we didn't watch the same shows growing up, because I don't remember that at all. McGarrett, McCloud, Canon, Mannix, Columbo, McMillan, Dillon, Barnaby Jones, Ironside, and the list goes on and on, and NONE of them were a smartass/jackass/asshole. None, nada. NONE Of them were anything like this current version of H5-0.

The change you're talking about came later. Even the less "straight laced" characters were mild compared to the smart asses that populate our screens today. I didn't really watch Starsky and Hutch so I can't really remember their characterizations clearly, but I think it's probably fair to say they might have been more like that. Baretta was a different kind of character too, but it's been so long since I've seen that, that I'd be hard pressed to call him a smartass/jackass/asshole. His character was definitely more comical than a Steve McGarret for example. He may have been among the leading edge of the change.

I watched all of those shows and I said it was on the way out, not they had disappeared. TV was slower to make the shift than movies. By the 70s tough,streetwise "undercover" cops who bucked the system were becoming more popular, influenced by "Serpico" "Dirty Harry" and other films. I dont recall Baretta being totally comical. There was some humor but he was a still tough cop. Baretta was also a reworking of an earleir series called Toma which was based on the life a actual cop. Apparently it came under fire for its portral of violence. ( the more things change...)

I think it was Han Solo who cemented the role of the smartass/jackass/asshole as hero in the minds of the viewing public. ( but it might have been Jim Rockford)

I see from wiki Baretta reworked Toma. At the time I remember watching Toma but didn't know the back story of how Baretta came to be.

 

[sojourner]

^What wiki? I'd like to read about Baretta.

 

[Star Wolf]

^What wiki? I'd like to read about Baretta.

There's only a paragraph on Baretta and one on Toma. Is been a long time and I was a kid. I was thnking they were on at the same time.

 

[Forbin]

Season 1 of Baretta is out on DVD!

 

[Christopher]

And they actually used most of the original musicians as well. That's pretty cool.

They used three of the original musicians. I don't think that counts as "most," unless it was a very small orchestra.

^Well, the way you tell the difference is that the old show was Hawaii Five-O (letter O) and the new one is Hawaii Five-0 (numeral zero). Wasn't it nice of them to provide such a clear way to keep them straight?

No, the old one was Five-0, too. All numbers. As in, "Hawaii, the 50th state."

No, look it up. Wikipedia, IMDb, and TV.com all use "Five-O" for the original and "Five-0" for the remake. You are correct about the intent behind the name, but it's a common practice to use the letter O to represent the number 0. And since the "Five" was spelled out, it makes sense that they'd use a letter to represent the "oh" sound too. But the new series has chosen to use a numeral 0 instead, for whatever reason -- perhaps simply to make it easier to distinguish the series in online databases.

Also.... Really not liking the "un-alike partners" vibe going on. Danno wasn't a partner. He was a rookie colleague in the original.

I don't understand why everyone's so shocked that the new version is different from the old version. That's the whole point of redoing something -- to do it differently. If you just kept things the same, there'd be no reason to remake a thing at all. This show isn't trying to be a copy of the old show. It's trying to present the core premise in an updated way that modern audiences will find enjoyable (though it's questionable whether it's succeeding).

 

[Nardpuncher]

I think all that people, or maybe just me, are asking is for you to EXPAND upon your observations.

Actually, the first response was basically telling him to shut the hell up and keep his opinion to himself.

Yeah that's how I took it and that's why I got defensive.

This board can get snarky at the best of times I've found, and there are many people here that seem to patrol for people to correct or just to disagree or always be ready to provide 'an alternate viewpoint' to innocuous opinions just for the heck of it.
I think many people (some mods included) go into that dreadful TNZ too often and don't know how to drop their shields when they're in another forum, so you get people telling you to get out and stop being an old fart or whatever else, and just basically not being very friendly.

Don't forget..this is the board where you could post a pic of Elvis himself and say "This looks like Elvis" and half the people who reply will disagree.

 

[sojourner]

^What wiki? I'd like to read about Baretta.

There's only a paragraph on Baretta and one on Toma. Is been a long time and I was a kid. I was thnking they were on at the same time.

So, um, can I read it for myself, or are keeping it a secret?

 

[Star Wolf]

^What wiki? I'd like to read about Baretta.

There's only a paragraph on Baretta and one on Toma. Is been a long time and I was a kid. I was thnking they were on at the same time.

So, um, can I read it for myself, or are keeping it a secret?

My phone does not have the technology to link, but google still works as of an hour ago.

 

[AJBryant]

Yeah I guess that's one of the things I've learned from this thread. Apparently being a smartass/jackass/asshole is something to aspire to now days.

I guess this is just another case of me being old, but I guess I just find it to be a sad commentary on society when an "old fashioned" hero type as portrayed by Jack Lord has gone so totally out of style.

Preach it, brah.

Oh, hey. Just found this. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cxja5dQklBs

Okay, laughing now. "Tonight's Episode: A New Hope."

 

[Forbin]

^That was great!

 

[gh4chiefs]

Indeed.

 

[IndyJones]

And they actually used most of the original musicians as well. That's pretty cool.

They used three of the original musicians. I don't think that counts as "most," unless it was a very small orchestra.

Yes. I should have checked to make sure Sepinwall was correct in his assertion lest I be caught by the resident pedant.

 

[Mr. Adventure]

There must be a way some mad genius could combine the Hawaii Five-O, Space 1999 and UFO themes.

 

[AJBryant]

There must be a way some mad genius could combine the Hawaii Five-O, Space 1999 and UFO themes.

I think you just sprained my brain.

 

[Nardpuncher]

And they actually used most of the original musicians as well. That's pretty cool.

They used three of the original musicians. I don't think that counts as "most," unless it was a very small orchestra.

Yes. I should have checked to make sure Sepinwall was correct in his assertion lest I be caught by the resident pedant.