Not an unusual situation in cop shows and movies. They get on each others nerves but are becoming buddies. If one was female they'd fall in love.
Thats all true but did you think they were going to make a show with 1960s attitudes and characterizations? Stiff by the book officers in suits uttering their lines in a clipped barely emotional manner isn't how its done these days. Even by the book shows like the L&Os try to give their cops more personality than was exhibited in the orginal 5-0. Lets face it not all that much difference between Danny, Chin and Kono except for their appearance. McGarrett was their boss and that was his big difference. In the new show they've gone for more of a Starsky & Hutch vibe with McGarrett and Dano being contemporaries, though McGarrett is still the boss its Dano who has the experience. OTHO McGarrett is a native born Hawaiian and Dano's from the mainland so he's our POV character who can ask questions so Steve, Chin and Kono can fill him ( and the audience in.)
Well if you're truly interested, as opposed to just looking for an argument, I will be glad to expand. You politely asked, and I'll politely respond. Again this about what's DIFFERENT, not about what's good or bad.
First of all, it starts with McGarrett. Jack Lord's Steve was very much by the book, he would NEVER dangle somebody off a building or torture them as seen this week. Steve was much more of a professional police officer than in this newer version.
Then there comes the relationship between Steve and Danny, or the whole team for that matter. It's just totally different, there's definitely more respect, just a more civil way of interacting with each other in the original than in this new version. Actually I think it's this relationship difference that I find the most different, and the thing I struggle with the most.
I don't recall if in the original if Chin Ho had a cloud hanging over him or not, I don't believe he did, but I can't be 100% on that. My best recollection is that he was just another straight laced officer who went to work for Steve. But other than that, I actually feel like the new Chin Ho most closely resembles his past counterpart.
Finally Kono. The original Kono was portrayed by Zulu, an actual native born big burly Hawaiian male, again another established police officer. You have to admit the way they cast this new character was quite a departure from that. No one will mistake Grace Park for Zulu.
Those are the things that jump out at me as "bearing no resemblance" from one show to the next.
Yes Grace Park and therefore Kono is a woman. Females leads in cop show!!! Whatta crazy world.
^Well, the way you tell the difference is that the old show was Hawaii Five-O (letter O) and the new one is Hawaii Five-0 (numeral zero). Wasn't it nice of them to provide such a clear way to keep them straight?
It seemed that cop shows moved from Sgt Friday on Dragnet to everybody being SerpicoI'm 51. The "smartass/jackass/asshole" has been around for most of my life and the "old fashioned hero type as portrayed by Jack Lord" was on its way out before he filmed a single frame of his "Hawaii 5-0" pilot. A little film he was in called Doctor No probably contributed to its demise.
Wise ass banter contributes to characterization, not plot.^Well, the way you tell the difference is that the old show was Hawaii Five-O (letter O) and the new one is Hawaii Five-0 (numeral zero). Wasn't it nice of them to provide such a clear way to keep them straight?
No, the old one was Five-0, too. All numbers. As in, "Hawaii, the 50th state."
Also.... Really not liking the "un-alike partners" vibe going on. Danno wasn't a partner. He was a rookie colleague in the original.
Now, of course, we have to have the whacky partner team up, for all the wise-ass banter that everyone expects today, instead of plot.
Wise ass banter contributes to characterization, not plot.^Well, the way you tell the difference is that the old show was Hawaii Five-O (letter O) and the new one is Hawaii Five-0 (numeral zero). Wasn't it nice of them to provide such a clear way to keep them straight?
No, the old one was Five-0, too. All numbers. As in, "Hawaii, the 50th state."
Also.... Really not liking the "un-alike partners" vibe going on. Danno wasn't a partner. He was a rookie colleague in the original.
Now, of course, we have to have the whacky partner team up, for all the wise-ass banter that everyone expects today, instead of plot.
I never thought of Danny Williams as a rookie. A younger, less experienced detective than McGarrett, but not a rookie. Wasn't he the number two man on the team? Ahead of the obviously older Chin Ho Kelly, even?
I'm 51. The "smartass/jackass/asshole" has been around for most of my life and the "old fashioned hero type as portrayed by Jack Lord" was on its way out before he filmed a single frame of his "Hawaii 5-0" pilot. A little film he was in called Doctor No probably contributed to its demise.
I'm 51. The "smartass/jackass/asshole" has been around for most of my life and the "old fashioned hero type as portrayed by Jack Lord" was on its way out before he filmed a single frame of his "Hawaii 5-0" pilot. A little film he was in called Doctor No probably contributed to its demise.
Guess we didn't watch the same shows growing up, because I don't remember that at all. McGarrett, McCloud, Canon, Mannix, Columbo, McMillan, Dillon, Barnaby Jones, Ironside, and the list goes on and on, and NONE of them were a smartass/jackass/asshole. None, nada. NONE Of them were anything like this current version of H5-0.
The change you're talking about came later. Even the less "straight laced" characters were mild compared to the smart asses that populate our screens today. I didn't really watch Starsky and Hutch so I can't really remember their characterizations clearly, but I think it's probably fair to say they might have been more like that. Baretta was a different kind of character too, but it's been so long since I've seen that, that I'd be hard pressed to call him a smartass/jackass/asshole. His character was definitely more comical than a Steve McGarret for example. He may have been among the leading edge of the change.
I watched all of those shows and I said it was on the way out, not they had disappeared. TV was slower to make the shift than movies. By the 70s tough,streetwise "undercover" cops who bucked the system were becoming more popular, influenced by "Serpico" "Dirty Harry" and other films. I dont recall Baretta being totally comical. There was some humor but he was a still tough cop. Baretta was also a reworking of an earleir series called Toma which was based on the life a actual cop. Apparently it came under fire for its portral of violence. ( the more things change...)I'm 51. The "smartass/jackass/asshole" has been around for most of my life and the "old fashioned hero type as portrayed by Jack Lord" was on its way out before he filmed a single frame of his "Hawaii 5-0" pilot. A little film he was in called Doctor No probably contributed to its demise.
Guess we didn't watch the same shows growing up, because I don't remember that at all. McGarrett, McCloud, Canon, Mannix, Columbo, McMillan, Dillon, Barnaby Jones, Ironside, and the list goes on and on, and NONE of them were a smartass/jackass/asshole. None, nada. NONE Of them were anything like this current version of H5-0.
The change you're talking about came later. Even the less "straight laced" characters were mild compared to the smart asses that populate our screens today. I didn't really watch Starsky and Hutch so I can't really remember their characterizations clearly, but I think it's probably fair to say they might have been more like that. Baretta was a different kind of character too, but it's been so long since I've seen that, that I'd be hard pressed to call him a smartass/jackass/asshole. His character was definitely more comical than a Steve McGarret for example. He may have been among the leading edge of the change.
( but it might have been Jim Rockford)
It wasn't exaxctly Memory Alpha.
That's an interesting site, but I'm thinking somebody has WAY too much time on their hands.
