Discussion in 'Star Trek Movies: Kelvin Universe' started by Ricky, Feb 22, 2019.
ID is certainly the weakest of the three, not for KHAAAAAN!!! but the fact a lot of it is a retread of ST09: Kirk has to take command, there's a space jump, the Enterprise randomly starts falling and they have to eject/restart the warp core, and the ending where they set off on a 5YM (again?) is practically identical.
The action scenes just felt unnatural and forced compared to the other two, and some you can tell they put in because they knew they'd be filming in 3D.
That Scotty expects Kirk on the Enterprise to be rescuing him.
I'll also never forgive the Paramount marketing team for this. I'm not saying they sold out; for all we know it could've been the same artist contracted to do all of these. But I still rolled my eyes.
In fairness, someone made a collage showing that all the big movie posters for the past couple of years were pretty much identical.
If you're going to steal, steal from the stuff that sells!
ST09 had its own marketing brand image that felt fresh and hasn't been copied (that I know of).
STID was just trying to blend in with the superhero genre that exploded in 2012-2013. And it made them a lot of money, internationally.
Not the superhero genre, but more the cultural zeitgeist around falling buildings and such. It was a cultural phenomenon that was, of course, reflected in art.
You're right on that. STiD was full of so many images of decaying buildings, skyscrapers toppling over, and other urban destruction porn that I was thinking, "Wait, isn't this a Star Trek movie?"
If we can have whole episodes of TNG and DS9 set on Earth, I can handle this.
Star Trek need not be defined so limited and is a reflection of current events and issues.
Sure, Star Trek can be lots of things, there's nothing wrong with that.
But it doesn't change that Into Darkness felt like, to me, an unused Mission: Impossible script.
I am not arguing that is how you felt for you. I just disagree that that is how it felt to me, largely because I have seen Abrams' MI and ID did not feel that way to me.
I was just hoping that the XI sequel would take advantage of their expanded budget to show them dealing with crazy aliens and alien landscapes - basically the Nibiru scene but expanded into a 2 1/2 hour long movie (with a villain, if necessary) and you could still have the "Kirk probably isn't cut out for command" theme going on.
Instead we got a 9/11 parallel with terrorists, exploding buildings, and special ops; and Khan, because why not. Considering it took 4(!) years to come out, it was baffling and underwhelming.
To each their own. I agree on the 4 years for their development as that was way too long, but, I enjoyed the story and themes. Highly relevant, and, as I said upthread, Kirk's development is among the best Trek.
Oh yeah. I was obsessed with that line as a kid. I loved pointing out the giant error that never made sense. Wasn't until I was older that I started actually trying to justify it in-story, and feel really dumb now, that I totally forgot it was even there. Haha.
He didn't have that much to do with MI, as far as I know. That's more Tom Cruise's brainchild. Correct me if I'm wrong, though.
That being said, I loved the last M:I. I thought it was rad.
...really showing my age, there, aren't I?
I know Abrams was a part of MI: 3 (question mark?) and I recall seeing it in the theater. And, to my eye at least, that plot made a whole lot less sense than ST ID ever did. I at least followed the whole movie from end to end, which is more than I can say for any of my MI viewings (fair warning-haven't seen the last two).
He directed part three. Was his first time, I think. But the main producer was Tom Cruise. The last two are pretty good, btw. I just think people often overestimate JJ's involvement in some things, such as LOST, which he had practically zero to do with beyond the pilot.
But I get that that wasn't actually your point, and I happen to agree that STID was loads better than M:I 3.
Bad Robot has been involved with all MI movies since 3.
However, that’s very likely more because Cruise likes them than that he needs them.
I liked STiD- and I loved the abandoned / decaying Kronos landscape. I would love to have seen more Klingon ship designs and Klingons in general - TBH.
The unused plot line at the end of STiD - whereby the Klingon fleet arrives at Earth, just after Khan crashed the Vengeance, and the Enterprise is severely crippled - would have been great to see - with Kirk having to negotiate with Klingon fleet command, ready to obliterate Earth following the Khan / Kirk / Klingon Kronos encounter...
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