Spoilers Game of Thrones - Season 7
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How did none of Cercei's and Jamie's kids have any issues from being inbred?
In the show the Wall is also established as more than a "simple" ice wall, that's why Benjen couldn't go back across since he's half-wight. So the wall is magic, but Dragons are magic too, so it's not just firepower, but also magic beats magic I guess.
Well I would say Joffrey had a few mental issues.
He was a sadistic little shit, but it's difficult to tell how much of that was genes, and how much just a product of a spoiled and privileged upbringing on the mothers side, and utter neglect on the fathers side.
I don't know if I'd go that far, but I speculated earlier that Cersei might be fooling even herself that she's actually pregnant.
If she were to fall ill, she might reconsider some of her choices. If she were to die, it would leave a power vacuum until Jamie returned - would he even be accepted as king given he has abandoned her?
ETA: I can't remember if Maggy the Frog's prophesy about the valonqar strangling her has been depicted on the show. Early this season, Cersei was depicted standing on the neck of her big Wersteros map while Jamie stood on the fingers. Could he manage it with just one good hand?
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Yes he did, but I think that was just his personality, not any sort of birth defect.
Also...how sure was Cercei that all three kids were Jamie's? If she was sleeping with both Jamie and Robert surely there is a chance that one or more of them was Robert's.
Did they know enough about fertility and ovulation for her to time events to make it more likely that they would be Jamie's kids?
Did they know enough about fertility and ovulation for her to time events to make it more likely that they would be Jamie's kids?
I expect that it's not the human race as we know it. Apparently incest doesn't cause birth defects in this particular realm. Or some people are lucky to have a certain mix of DNA that averts defects.
I expect there is a maximum amount of time after a creature has died for it to be turned un-dead. Beyond that there's too much essential decay having taken place.
But in a medically practical point of view... zombies are ridiculous. The body and brain requires oxygen and nutrients. Without blood circulation, that doesn't happen. And with most of these creatures, their wounds are great enough that all the blood would leak out. These bodies are bereft of energy and there's no way these decayed corpses could muster up so much strength as depicted. The only way to get over it is to fan-wank magic... that it's just so powerful it can animate any recently killed corpse. Maybe that's why the wights disintegrate when a White Walker is killed, as the magic is "cut off."
Only if they both carry harmful recessive alleles is there a significant risk of birth defects, and even between brother and sister it's only a 25% chance. The problem comes with generations of inbreeding where the likelihood of harmful recessive alleles being in the family as a whole is higher. The Targeryeans are probably more likely to have issues.
That would be worrying if they ever got to Winterfell given what's down in the crypts...
Counterpoint.
I agree with that--if it's magic, then for something as preposterous as zombies, we have to be all in for magic.
Let me add: muscles don't work without water. Zombies don't eat, except once in a blue moon, and they don't drink ever that I can see, and even if they did they don't have any functioning systems to bring water to their tissues any more than nutrients that they have no way of processing.
I've been wondering what happened to Daario Naharis. Maybe this mercenary army Cersei is bringing over brings him, too? Just so we have a hail hail the gang's all here ending? Also, of course, it would make for some interesting power plays with Dany knowing him.
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I have a friend who is a doctor and... he can't stand "The Walking Dead." He just can't get past the extreme implausibility. And with that series, we're talking about a virus. No magic. And I agree. It would've been more insidious if the infection altered someone's brain chemistry and structure. And then some slight change would happen in the eye where you could see something a little "off"... that would let you know this person isn't OK. The mind alteration would leave the person essentially functioning normally until certain moments when they'd go berserk and have a cannibal moment. And like HIV, having sex with an infected person would get you infected as well. Then in a certain stage of the virus, the mind stops pretending to be normal and "converts"... you end up with an evil army of people-creatures. Similar to what we saw in "Legend." THAT would be easier to believe.
The only way it can truly work in GoT is that magic is somehow causing an energy draw from someplace that keeps the being animated.
That part of the prophecy wasn't shown for whatever reason. Maybe it'll come up as another prologue at the beginning of the next season but I doubt it.
I've seen a lot of people continuing to debate the validity of Cersei's pregnancy even though David and Dan confirmed it as being faked during their comments on the "Inside the Episode" segment for the finale.
During their comments on Tyrion and Cersei's meeting, David and Dan talk about Cersei bluffing and Tyrion reading her bluff because she wanted him to directly overlaid on top of the specific moment where she puts her hand on her belly and he says "You're pregnant".
I was someone who came down on the side of "she's not faking this pregnancy", but their comments make it pretty clear that the opposite is in fact the truth.
During their comments on Tyrion and Cersei's meeting, David and Dan talk about Cersei bluffing and Tyrion reading her bluff because she wanted him to directly overlaid on top of the specific moment where she puts her hand on her belly and he says "You're pregnant".
I was someone who came down on the side of "she's not faking this pregnancy", but their comments make it pretty clear that the opposite is in fact the truth.
The impact of inbreeding tends to be exaggerated in the popular mind. And Cersei/Jamie is first generation, too, unlike the Targaryens or, indeed, the European aristocracy that they're based on. Unless their family was carrying genes for recessive genetic conditions, one generation of inbreeding is unlikely to result in significant issues.
I don't think that's the bluff they're talking about. Otherwise, him 'reading her bluff' would involve him calling her out on the fake pregnancy. I think they're talking about her threatening to kill him there and then, which she can't do - something which repeats itself with Jamie later on.
Plus the beat where the Night King touched Bran; I understand that it is speculated that this was his passport across the wall. Because magic.In the show the Wall is also established as more than a "simple" ice wall, that's why Benjen couldn't go back across since he's half-wight. So the wall is magic, but Dragons are magic too, so it's not just firepower, but also magic beats magic I guess.
Counter-counterpoint.
Their parents were first cousins.
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