Spoilers Game of Thrones - Season 7
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The Night King, when he was a First Man prior to the Children of the Forest changing him. It was insidious... they forcibly converted him into a creature that would attack humans, and then animate the dead to form his army. So... could he be turned back to a human? Or is he irreparably changed and has to be killed?
Unlikely - but throwing it out for discussion anyway; is it possible that Tyrion betrayed the others to make an arrangement with Cersei and that's the reason for his longing look at the cabin door? Guilt, not envy.
I don't think it'll play out that way (the writers like to make him as good a guy as possible) but it would be an interesting, if fan-enraging plot, that seems Jamie throw his lot in with the good guys while Tyrion betrays them.
I don't think it'll play out that way (the writers like to make him as good a guy as possible) but it would be an interesting, if fan-enraging plot, that seems Jamie throw his lot in with the good guys while Tyrion betrays them.
That last phrase we can have no doubt about!
While Tyrion can be devious he was never the guy who'd betray those he came to respect and like (and there's not too many of them). I sincerely doubt he'd betray Dany after the speech he gave before she made him her Hand,
This switch wouldn't come naturally.. for Jaime it was a long time coming to break with Cersei and for Tyrion it would be a break of character since he despises Cersei but would rather see her in a cell or exile than on an executioner's block.
IDK - I have to say, if Cersei is REALLY that 'bad' - there's no way Tyrion should have left her Chambers alive. (I can buy her not killing Jamie; after all he is the father of her coming child.)
I also didn't get HJohn's dilema. Cersei said she wouldn't trust Daenerys' word; but she would trust John's. Even though John pledged to serve Daenerys', IF he gave his word RE the Armies of the North pledging not to march on King's Landing until the Undead crisis is resolved to Cersei, why would she have reason to question it?
I also didn't get HJohn's dilema. Cersei said she wouldn't trust Daenerys' word; but she would trust John's. Even though John pledged to serve Daenerys', IF he gave his word RE the Armies of the North pledging not to march on King's Landing until the Undead crisis is resolved to Cersei, why would she have reason to question it?
With Jon's heritage revealed, it'll give new depth to his interactions with Maester Aemon upon rewatching.
She was playing him. If Cercei had killed Tyrion, Dany never would have bought Cercei's BS line that she was going to help.
My first guess is that Cersei and Euron have been busy mounting those dragon killer ballistas on the iron fleet, and she's hoping that Dany will attack them on their way to Essos.
It's very risky being on a bunch of wooden ships getting shot at by fire breathing dragons, but it forces the battle that Cersei is most likely to win.
They already know they can't beat the unsullied and Dothraki on land, and this battle forces her to use the dragons with no support since the Theon/Yara iron fleet has already been basically destroyed.
If Euron spreads out his ships so that the dragons have to essentially pick them off one or 2 at a time, then the fleet gets dozens of shots at bringing them down before they can even make a very big dent. If the dragons fall, then all she needs to do is wait for the Unsullied and Dothraki to deplete themselves against the White Walkers, and then take her chances on the remnants of whomever is left. Timing is critical, though. ... Which she can now do, because - thank you "Honest Jon" Snow - she knows the two ways to kill them. (BTW, why didn't Jon Snow mention Valerian steel?) She has to make sure that those forces are in fact committed to the northern battle first, but that's a pretty safe bet. Tyrion and Jon will both advise Dany to forget about Cersei until the undead are re-dead.
It would of course fail, but they might succeed in bringing down Drogon. It would be the most emotionally impactful loss to Dany. A REAL shocker would be if Dany got killed too... and Jon is named leader of the combined Targaryan/Northern armies, and rider of the last dragon named after his father to take on the Night King and save the day during the final battle. (OK, that won't happen but it's fun to think about. More likely if Drogon dies, he'd hit the water, struggle for a few minutes, just long enough for Jon to swoop in and rescue her from drowning with him, then sink.)
Geez, now I've become a wild conspiracy theorist.
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That's actually the second time Jon forgot to mention Valyrian steel. He did the same thing when talking to a large group in Winterfell before meeting with Dany.
He also forgot to mention the minor point about White Walker deaths apparently leading to the elimination of any dead those Walkers had converted....or that Dany could supply Cersei with a bunch of Dragonglass...or that the White Walkers were actually rather intelligent and not just mindless monsters...
His response to Euron's "Can they swim?" should have been "No...but they also don't appear to need to beathe, so it wouldn't surprise me if they could walk to the Iron Islands...or if the White Walkers were to have the dead travel by ships."
^Plus, you know, winter, ice, frozen seas round the iron islands...do the math!
I think you're confusing "Evil Bitch" with "Moron". They're not the same thing.
Probably because it's so rare as to be irrelevant on a large scale. There's maybe what? A few dozen blades in the whole world? Between Longclaw, Widow's Wail and Oathkeeper, most of the ones we know about for sure were at that meeting.
The only other ones we know about are Heartsbane and Arya's dagger (which I have decided is called "A Blade Has No Name!") and they're both up in Winterfell.
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That's kind of a pointless distinction you're making there, because I doubt he'll ever refer to himself as Aegon. Regardless of actual parentage, he's not now nor has he ever been a Targaryen, he's Ned Stark's son, named Jon.
I don't think it's either, Tyrion surely didn't buy Cersei's promise of sending troops, he's smarter than Jaime.
I think that was just a look of: "things are going alright for them, but they don't yet know we're all actually fucked".
It is guilt, but I don't think he actively betrayed them in a sense that he's a part of some plot.
But I think he realized (maybe even advised) Cersei to lie and say she'd help so that things don't come to blows right then and there, and then chose not to reveal that to Dany so that Cersei and her unborn child had a chance to live, at least for a while.
Jorah has figured out way back at Dragonstone that Jon's the right match for Dany, and the whole conversation over Longclaw and "leaving it for his children after him" signifies Jorah made his peace with it.
I have nicknamed it Thread as in Needle and Thread.
OK, that actually make more logical sense, but mine would look better on a meme...if I could be bothered to make one. Which I can't. So you win!
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