Spoilers Game of Thrones - Season 7
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That's what I'm going with for now, it has something to do with being brought back. He wasn't born in Winterfell though, and even if he grew up there it wasn't winter, or that cold there.Maybe his having been dead and brought back to life endowed him with some special characteristics. Just as Dany is fireproof, maybe Jon is somewhat cold proof. He didn't seem as phased by the cold as the others. He was, after all, born in Winterfell and has lived a long stretch of his life in very harsh cold winters.
Maybe his having been dead and brought back to life endowed him with some special characteristics. Just as Dany is fireproof, maybe Jon is somewhat cold proof. He didn't seem as phased by the cold as the others. He was, after all, born in Winterfell and has lived a long stretch of his life in very harsh cold winters.
That is something I hadn't thought of, it is an intriguing idea.
I did some research last night on how the Inuit waterproof their clothes as I thought that Northerners, especially Wildlings, would use similar techniques. I learned quite a few interesting things that I will now bore you with.
The foremost method was to use sealskin. Sealskin didn't protect against cold but it was waterproof. The Inuit had a special waterproof stitching that they could use when sewing waterproof garments.
Pine tar, beeswax and lard were also used to waterproof garments.
Sealskin mocassins were mainly worn in the spring when it wasn't cold but very wet from the thaw. In winter many people went barefoot when working about camp, wrapping their feet in furs or moccasins when they sat down.
Waterproof shoes could also be made from fish skins and bird skins. I know from reading the works of Halldor Laxness that many Icelanders wore fishskin shoes even in the early 20th century.
So I am assuming that Jon survived being in the water because he was wearing waterproof underwear.
Could very well be. But Arya is extremely skilled at it now. Maybe only with the skins... and that eventually she'd be able to do the morphing without them. I'm also starting to believe that this ability may have tarnished her personality... maybe that's what has made her so dark. This burning desire for revenge, to kill. Even to the point of turning on kin.
i must admit I loved Daenerys winter outfit.
Yeah, I forgot... seems like Jon was always in Winterfell. I'm not as solid on the early seasons (skimped around, didn't see them all), but I will be going back. GoT is probably the most epic fantasy series ever made at this point. So rich with detail, both in story and visually. Definitely something to watch again and again.Actually, he was born in sunny Dorne
I know -- like, who has time to be her tailor?
Probably the same people that built NK's uber-chains. 
The Westeros Olympic team
NIght King - javelin
THe Hound - discus
Gendry - rowing, marathon, hammer throw
Bronn - swimming
Arya - fencing, gymnastics
Anyone have any other suggestions?
NIght King - javelin
THe Hound - discus
Gendry - rowing, marathon, hammer throw
Bronn - swimming
Arya - fencing, gymnastics
Anyone have any other suggestions?
I think I prefer the notion that he's as cold-proof as Daenerys is heat/fire proof since no matter how waterproof one's clothes might be, falling into water that cold is liable to put a person into shock, which is typically a good way to drown.
As someone who has personal experience with being borderline hypothermic, I can attest that the first things that start to go when you're that cold are your muscle control, your ability to think straight and your ability to stay awake. For someone to be able to swim up and drag themselves out from under an ice sheet with all that clothing weighing them down, they would have to be damn near herculean. Not impossible, especially in the realms of fantasy heroes of course, but Jon has always struck me as a "heart, head and skill" type hero, not a bruiser.
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Yes, the cold-proof theory makes more sense but I had not heard it when I did my research.
Never came up in the books, either. Things may change when the next one is published, but until then... 
Let's talking distances and speeds.
I believe it is about 2500 miles from Kingslanding to Winterfell so let's assume that the distance from Eastwatch to Dragonstone is a similar distance. However I am using book measurements here and show Westeros might be a bit smaller. So maybe we should put the distance at about 2000 miles (?).
A racing pigeon can cover up to about 700 miles in a day. Let's assume that a Westorosi raven is as fast. That means it would take about three day for a raven to fly from Eastwatch to Dragonstone. Add half a day for Gendry's run, and a day and a half for the dragon flight and our heroes must have been sitting on that island for about 5 days.
We know they were there for long enough for the water to freeze over again.
I believe it is about 2500 miles from Kingslanding to Winterfell so let's assume that the distance from Eastwatch to Dragonstone is a similar distance. However I am using book measurements here and show Westeros might be a bit smaller. So maybe we should put the distance at about 2000 miles (?).
A racing pigeon can cover up to about 700 miles in a day. Let's assume that a Westorosi raven is as fast. That means it would take about three day for a raven to fly from Eastwatch to Dragonstone. Add half a day for Gendry's run, and a day and a half for the dragon flight and our heroes must have been sitting on that island for about 5 days.
We know they were there for long enough for the water to freeze over again.
I have just relooked at the scene where Dany leaves Dragonstone to go and find Jon. It does not say that she got the message from the raven. Could she had got antsy and decided to go and look for Jon without the raven message?
It's HEAVILY IMPLIED that she got said info from a Raven sent after the guy made his marathon run back to the wall.
Yes, that is what I got when I watch it but looking at the scene it is not actually stated.
Never came up in the books, either. Things may change when the next one is published, but until then...
So far as I can recall, last we saw Jon in the books he just got stabbed to death by his fellow crows. We don't even know for sure if he gets brought back (though it's a pretty safe bet.)
Well see that scene had nothing to do with needing or not needing protection. Whatever she said was just nonsense to get her out the door. Sansa just wanted Brienne gone so that when she made a move against Arya, Brienne wouldn't intercede.
Strictly speaking no, but the way the scenes played into each other, I think we're quite clearly meant to take it as read.
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