For All Mankind Trailer - Apple TV- SPOILER

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  1. 1987SpaceGuy

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    Molly
    Molly's fate mirrors that of some other real life rescue stories (9/11 for example) - saving people, going in back in for more, not making it themselves.
    There were a lot of electricity cables sparking/hanging, let alone rubble and building instability of the now Molly Cobbs Space Center.

    I knew her time was up when she walked into the "dust" and the injured, but rescued by her NASA man lingered with his look. Thanks to being visually impaired, she knew distances, steps and such and saved many others.
    a worthy death for a hero in a way.

    Margo
    I'm more bothered by Margo being alive.
    In a somewhat critical mission, she leaves the command center (even if Aleida is the boss), goes and plays piano, the bomb goes off almost immediately and she conveniently escaped prior.

    It's not the "taking up the Sovjets offer" part that bothers me - that was a possible outcome especially after the offer she received prior in the episode and the "cold" talk she had with Sergej - it's that she escaped the bomb.
     
  2. David cgc

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    To answer some questions, here's as much as is visible of the newspaper seen at the very end of the episode.

    ...Tribune
    ...ber 1, 1995

    Transitions at NASA
    NASA Space Center renamed for fallen hero Molly Cobb

    Photos of Molly circa Apollo 15, flags, flowers, and other memorials around the new sign for the Molly Cobb Space Center
    Above: Former Apoll 15 Astronaut Molly Cobb. Right: Local(?) citizen pays tribute to those who perished in the ...t bombing at JSC, recently renamed to honor ...fallen astronaut hero.

    By Angela Kind

    NASA has renamed its Space Center in Houston in honor of Molly Cobb who lost her flive while rescuing others during the bombing attack on the Johnson Space Center.

    ...a ceremony, NASA on Friday formally dedicated ...Molly Cobb Space Center.

    ... Cobb's story is one of incredible determination. ...personified NASA's spirit of persevering against all ...providing inspiration and advancing scinece and ...ation," acting NASA spokesperson Richard Fen- ...said today.

    ...attack on Johnson Space Center left many an- ...disillusioned(?). It was seen as an assault on ...future. Our best and the brightest fell

    [Fold]

    ...went into action even though she was legally blind.

    Survivors of the bombing remember seeing Cobb navigating smoke-filled hallways, freeing people from the rubble and helping them find a means of escape. After leading a group to safety down a fire escape, she returned to the building one last time. Her body was recovered from the rubble 7 days later.

    Cobb is best remembered for being one of the original Mercury 13, recalled in 1971 to be one of "Nixon's Women," one of the first real calss of woman astronauts. She held the pilot's chair on Apollo 15, and was the one who first found evidence of water ice on the Moon, kick starting decades of development there.

    Her sight was damaged by radiation when she helped to rescue the astronaut Wubbo Ockels. This effectively caused her retirement from the astronaut corps. She became Chief of the...
     
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  3. marillion

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    We're all forgetting that "Red Planet" did that kind of launch first. Though far more people remember "The Martian" than "Red Planet." LOL
     
  4. The Scrooge Doctor

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    I never watched that film. I was much more of a fan of Mission to Mars (which came out the same year), despite its own...silliness.
     
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  5. FPAlpha

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    Truly great season finale with a brutal house clearing at the end when it comes to retiring characters.

    Loved the bonkers Kelly/Kid rescue - that was all Martian inspired amazing and ridiculous but i loved it. I wonder if a current Space Agency ever ran remotely into these kinds of problems would they too go for the ridiculous solution and pray it works out? :lol:

    Molly Cobb was the best, so awesome she got to go the way she deserves.

    I loved how Dev was put into place and shot down with a simple question by Karen - it was a long overdue reality check from him. I liked his character and i hope he remains on the show and grows as a character.

    Still not sure about the bombing itself - it felt a little too "soap opera" style. I was a huge fan of Greys Anatomy back in the day but as the seasons went one they had to resort to ever increasing ridiculous events for mid and season finales to amp up the drama ( active shooters, bomb, plane crashes etc) and after a while i left the show. I hope Mankind did this once but doesn't use that particular story crutch.

    Very curious what is up with Margo? Either she defected or given the 8 year time jump the Soviet Union might have fallen like it did in our reality and she is just visiting in some form or capacity on business. However odds are she truly defected just to be able to continue being an engineer, which is all she ever wanted and being completely apolitical she won't care where she gets to solve engineering problems.

    Harsh punishment for Danny but totally deserved - he can count himself lucky they don't resort to the death penalty because honestly Joel Kinnaman's murder face had me scared and i was watching a fictional character from my bed through a screen :lol:

    Can we all agree that Ed is the ultimate lord of badasses? :techman:
     
  6. FreezeC77

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    Thanks for transcribing all that. I had paused to try to read the date on the newspaper and read that so was going to reply back about it. I'm guessing there was another collapse while she was still inside of the building and she died in that.
     
  7. The Scrooge Doctor

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    I wonder the same. Here's hoping! :lol:

    I didn't cover him in my review but I agree. I loved that scene and I like to think Karen more asked that question to help those people who weren't thinking clearly and caught up in the moment and not actively hurting Dev. Either way, it was a necessary wake-up call and I hope, too, we get to see him grow from it. And not just because I've always been a big fan of Edi Gathegi (I'm still better about how quickly his character exited X-Men: First Class).

    Broadly speaking, I agree with you and I do hope they don't resort to that particular story crutch, but I don't mind the bombing as how and when it is used because it's clearly echoing the Oklahoma City Bombing.

    When in doubt, Occam's Razor. The defection had already been suggested by Lenara and the whole season had been building up towards repercussions for Margo's past decisions with Sergei.

    Seriously. He may not have the widest range as an actor but his murder face is one of the best and not just on this show. :lol:

    And here I was going all about her previous health condition and possible internal injuries when the most obvious explanation was right there: Unstable structure. Duh.
     
  8. Aragorn

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    Ed has become the Andy Sipowicz of space -- son, best friend, father of his grandchild, ex-wife, Molly.
     
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    I found out today that the actress who played Karen was also the same actress who played Patty Spivit on The Flash. There's also been some rumblings from fans (Me included) that would like to see Patty Spivit again, and now that the actress is not on FAMK anymore, I wonder if we might just get a cameo. It's probably unlikely, but it would be nice. Still, I was blown away that it was the same actress.
     
  10. Chilli

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    Man I was so split about the critical exchange between Ed and Danny. Storytelling-wise, it was excellent, and I loved Ed telling Danny to piss off with the idea of jeopardizing his daughter's life to buy himself some kind of instant absolution. But there's also the pragmatic part of me that was thinking that Danny sacrificing his life would have had the silver lining of Danny being dead afterwards. :lol:

    I minded Jimmy's story line in this season a lot less than others did. How horrific it ended might have felt out of the blue, but don't acts of terrorism definitionally feel out of the blue? Seemed pretty clear that they were going for that time line's version of the Oklahoma City bombing, yeah - combined with 9/11, possibly, because that's probably not happening?

    I feel kinda meh about the time skip between seasons this time around. The episode left me more interested in what would happen in the ~immediate aftermath of the events of the episode, but didn't really leave me thirsty for seeing where things are at ten years later like previous seasons did. But still wanna see where they take things, of course.

    We don't actually have much of an idea, or any empirical data, on how a fetus would develop in reduced gravity. The notion that a child which developed under reduced gravity would have problems with full Earth gravity is just a science fiction convention, not something we actually know would be the case. :shrug:
     
  11. David cgc

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    The official podcast's recap describe the time jump being to 2001, not 2003, suggesting that, like last year, they didn't commit to the date until the last minute. Maybe that's part of the reason they went further ahead, so that wouldn't be hanging over their heads. Or they just wanted someone to be able to watch the premiere of the new Battlestar Galactica in the first episode of the season.
     
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  12. Aragorn

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    Jimmy's storyline was underwritten, and ultimately he had nothing to do with the bombing. The stolen employee badge didn't even lead to anything.
     
  13. The Scrooge Doctor

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    I also wonder if we'll get an episode or two dealing with Happy Valley's isolation before slowly/quickly montaging to the time jump after that.
     
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    More of a quad reference.
    In addition to the two you mention you also have, Danny Stevens exiled to a Korean/Soyuz capsule and Sergei living in the US.
     
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  15. The Scrooge Doctor

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    Ah, yes, quite right about that!

    One thing I keep forgetting to mention all season: I've really missed Linda Park as one of the fictional newscasters this year. :(
     
  16. jaime

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    No proper noughties trailer?
    Darn it.

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    Clearly Ed is so hardcore that he actually just walks the whole Happy Valley into orbit, and drags them back to earth orbit with his teeth. Cockroaches, Chuck Norris, and in that universe Ed Baldwin.
     
  17. Airmandan

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    In regards to Jimmy’s storyline, all the red flags for a incident where there. The grooming of him by the group, the manipulation to get them inside the building and to steal badges and plant devices. The “girlfriend” who was wandering around getting a layout of the building and important locations. Given the bag of guns that he spotted in the final episode, the plan was probably a direct assault and hostage situation with the bomb as final act. Karen’s interference ruined that plan.
     
  18. KennyB

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    Minor gripe............FFS Hollywood.........it's RAM stein AB Germany not ROM stein.........they mispronounce it 85% of the time.
     
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  19. KennyB

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    Very Yeager "The Right Stuff"...........
     
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  20. Aragorn

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    EP Ben Nedivi double downs on Ronald Moore's belief that the extreme negative reaction to the Stevens brothers means they're doing something good.
     
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