If Kirk and Scotty can serve in vital missions despite not making much sense I think I can live with the current casting.
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What a load of tripe.
"What I should be."
That tells you everything there.
That tells you everything there.
Maybe high fructose corn syrup somehow keeps coming back. You know, like the Borg. Or Data.
Eating will always be eating. We're never going to program being overweight out of all of us.
I've seen this being used too many times of late on TBBS to excuse fatphobic and ableist comments. I've been overweight myself for nearly 30 years and this shit is inexcusable.
I don't give a shit whether anyone is fat or not - that does not give one license to ramble on about the future not being a place for overweight people. It's insulting and it spits in the face of IDIC and the core of Star Trek's ethos.
Being overweight is unhealthy. In the future, I would hope we have health sorted out.
It's just the most basic of aspirations that in the future people are healthy and live long lives. Shoot me if that's a bad thing to hope for.
I don't want people to have cancer or HIV either, IDIC be damned.
It's just the most basic of aspirations that in the future people are healthy and live long lives. Shoot me if that's a bad thing to hope for.
I don't want people to have cancer or HIV either, IDIC be damned.
I appreciate that. And I definitely think people who are part of a marginalized group have a certain right to reclaim insults that have traditionally been used against them. However, I am certainly less understanding of that if these insults are then just used to be fatphobic towards others. The fact that you have decided that for you it’s okay to talk about overweight people and (as you call it) “unhealthy” bodies like that is all fine and good, but it does not mean others just have to accept that kind of language as well. I’m not telling you what to think and it’s IMO totally fine if we view this differently, but I will have to insist that no-one uses this kind of biased language here.
As far as I’m concerned there’s room for a civil discussion about the topic of overweight people in Trek, but this thread is not the place for that, and even if it were it would need to happen without using insulting language. Look, I’m just trying to make sure this is a space where people of all body types and abilities feel welcome and no-one feels it’s okay to judge the bodies of others. It should be easy enough for everyone to talk about this with a language that’s respectful and not as demeaning and dehumanizing as “a big blue blob”. I hope you understand.
As for your reasoning for why you think the future of Star Trek should not show overweight people: I think I get where you’re coming from with this. However, I have a different perspective: Consider that Starfleet is not the UK or US military, but a make-believe organization in a make-believe sci-fi universe a thousand (!) years into the future. This is some fantasy universe where in an instant they teleport to far-away places, create matter out of thin air like magic and where people from multiple alien worlds all across the galaxy can interbreed — I can’t express how little sense it makes to complain about characters supposedly not looking “fit” enough. And to whose standards exactly? Certainly not to those of a fictional organization in the far-away future. The bottom line is, we can’t deduce a character’s capability or health just from their looks.
But also, and maybe more importantly, the people you are seeing in Trek are just actors performing characters of various (alien) backgrounds. Overweight or not traditionally thin actors do exist; should they be denied an acting gig on these shows just because we think there won’t be people looking like them in the completely fictional 31st century? To me that seems like the very definition of fatphobic bias akin to saying “people with larger bodies shouldn’t be allowed in X profession”. Plus, even in our real-world universe bodies of both male and female athletes come in various different shapes and sizes, often not conforming to traditionally idealized body shapes. Just look at this photo showing the real bodies of actual athletes and how much more variety there is than just “slim” and “obese” or “healthy” and “unhealthy”.
But again, and for what already feels like the umpteenth time in the relatively short lifespan of this thread: This discussion is not for this thread. So please let’s give it a rest. I feel like everything that can be said about this has now already been said multiple times.
Frankly (and this is not directed at you, Antony), I’m dismayed (if not really surprised) we have now had to go through this whole fatphobia discussion so damn often already, just from this one brief scene. And the fucking show hasn’t even premiered yet! Fingers crossed we won’t have to repeat this whole song and dance every week once the first season is underway.
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Had us in the first half, not gonna lie.No! It looks like Disco and Kurtzman's other filth, which any warm blooded Trekkie knows is NOT regular Star Trek! My angry hate filled YouTube rant is going to go into full detail about all the flaws with this scene and how they spell doom for the franchise. As a preview of what to expect, "origami chicken" is quite possibly the stupidest thing I have ever heard.
Nah, but seriously, good clip, I enjoyed it. And yes, I actually like "origami chicken."
Yet another person that doesn't understand what a "Mary Sue" is.
Hence the word "type." No, he is not an author insert character. However, his importance and significance feels very unearned.
But wouldn't that make him a Marty Stu?
But wouldn't that make him a Marty Stu?
I know you’re being facetious, but the term ‘Mary Sue’ is not gender specific, despite the name.
More tripe
People in glass houses, pal. Until you sort yourself out, you have zero right to comment on other peoples bodies or who should be appearing in what.
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I've seen Gary Sue used for males, possibly because in American accents they rhyme?But wouldn't that make him a Marty Stu?
Isn't it "Gary Stu"?
Again, it's ENTERTAINMENT - not a simulation of 'Real Life' in the 23rd, 24th or 32nd century. If it bothers you that much, watch something else that you find satisfying to you.
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