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[Fateor]

It doesn't prove your point at all. It just shows how inconsistently technology is portrayed in Star Trek and also how the needs of the plot demand what technology can and can't do.

No, that's mostly just Discovery's writers being really bad.

Photon Torpedoes are essentially antimatter bombs. There's no such thing as a "weak" Photon torpedo. You could adjust the yield, but a photon torpedo that was strong enough to destroy the god creature should have wiped out everything for miles. Kirk was just a few feet away he should have been vaporized. Once more, and as always, you are grasping at straws.

Someone is misremembering the end of Star Trek V.

 

[Christmas Canon Spock]

Missed him by that much...

I'm sure the film would have been better if Kirk had died.

 

[Turtletrekker]

Someone is misremembering the end of Star Trek V.

Yep. And it's you. In fact, with every post you make I wonder if you've ever actually watched Star Trek at all.

 

[Unionized Elf]

The 31st century, as depicted (& arguably failed) on DIS, is so far removed from the "known" Trek universe - it's tropes , it's rules, it's vibes

The 32nd century as depicted in Disco is literally the same as Star Trek in its other eras aside from the presence of floating nacelles on starships. That's it.

 

[eschaton]

Technically true.

But directors who don't respect the setting they're creating things in is how you get shows like Wheel of Time, Witcher, and Lord of the Rings that end up wasting hundreds of millions of dollars for no real return.

I think it's pretty hard to argue Peter Jackson didn't respect LOTR. Sure, he made choices in adaptation, but they were mostly necessary in order to make it into movies.

Or are you referring to The Rings of Power?

It doesn't prove your point at all. It just shows how inconsistently technology is portrayed in Star Trek and also how the needs of the plot demand what technology can and can't do.

It's true that tech has always worked/not worked due to the needs of the plot. But doing a 900-year time jump causes disbelief to be suspended just that much more. It was a problem they didn't have to give themselves!

All of this - literally all of this - seems to stem from a belief from someone (maybe Kurtzman, maybe someone else) that we need to have galactic-level stakes in order to care about a seasonal arc of Star Trek. They could have told the exact same character story of Michael - responsible for the death of her captain due to bad choices, causes a flare-up with the Klingons, sent to prison and has to work her way back up - without either casually threatening the destruction of the entire multiverse, or having the Federation just hours away from falling to the Klingons at the 11th hour.

I just...I don't get it! I really don't get it. My favorite MCU movie in the post-COVID era was GOTG3, where the stakes were basically just we need to save Rocket Racoon. You don't need to have huge stakes even if you want to have an action-adventure sci-fi series. And even if you do want it, you can do what DS9 did and build it up slowly over multiple seasons, rather than shoot your wad repeatedly, until the audience is just bored by the whole artificiality of the process.

It seems like this time, the villain at least has a personal motivation. Hopefully it's a suitably smaller-scale conflict, as I'm guessing Caleb and the others are going to play a role in the defeat, and you actually want the power of your protagonists (particularly young ones) to scale over time.

But no, DIS Season 1 needed a big crisis at the end, so Burnham could be the maximal hero after just one season. Which people bitched about, so they decided that after season 2, they'd just time skip so they could have clean slates to have a galactic crisis each season of DIS. And SFA (and the Section 31 movie kinda, I guess) grew out of those choices.

 

[Christmas Canon Spock]

I think it's pretty hard to argue Peter Jackson didn't respect LOTR

The Hobbit would possibly a sign otherwise.

 

[Agony_Boothb]

No, that's mostly just Discovery's writers being really bad.

And this is you moving the goalposts

 

[Agony_Boothb]

I think it's pretty hard to argue Peter Jackson didn't respect LOTR. Sure, he made choices in adaptation, but they were mostly necessary in order to make it into movies.

Or are you referring to The Rings of Power?



It's true that tech has always worked/not worked due to the needs of the plot. But doing a 900-year time jump causes disbelief to be suspended just that much more. It was a problem they didn't have to give themselves!

All of this - literally all of this - seems to stem from a belief from someone (maybe Kurtzman, maybe someone else) that we need to have galactic-level stakes in order to care about a seasonal arc of Star Trek. They could have told the exact same character story of Michael - responsible for the death of her captain due to bad choices, causes a flare-up with the Klingons, sent to prison and has to work her way back up - without either casually threatening the destruction of the entire multiverse, or having the Federation just hours away from falling to the Klingons at the 11th hour.

I just...I don't get it! I really don't get it. My favorite MCU movie in the post-COVID era was GOTG3, where the stakes were basically just we need to save Rocket Racoon. You don't need to have huge stakes even if you want to have an action-adventure sci-fi series. And even if you do want it, you can do what DS9 did and build it up slowly over multiple seasons, rather than shoot your wad repeatedly, until the audience is just bored by the whole artificiality of the process.

It seems like this time, the villain at least has a personal motivation. Hopefully it's a suitably smaller-scale conflict, as I'm guessing Caleb and the others are going to play a role in the defeat, and you actually want the power of your protagonists (particularly young ones) to scale over time.

But no, DIS Season 1 needed a big crisis at the end, so Burnham could be the maximal hero after just one season. Which people bitched about, so they decided that after season 2, they'd just time skip so they could have clean slates to have a galactic crisis each season of DIS. And SFA (and the Section 31 movie kinda, I guess) grew out of those choices.

I'm not reading all of that. Just say you disagree and leave it at that.