I don't know, I just got to thinking. They could of still produced Star Trek XI and had Enterprise last seven seasons. They kept Voyager on for 7, and not many people cared for that series. So why cancel Enterprise?
Enterprise should of had seven seasons
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Well, at least I SPELL right 
Compared to a lot of thread titles I've seen lately...
Compared to a lot of thread titles I've seen lately...
As things turned out, they could have with a little over a year between the two. It would have needed a new home, since UPN folded in 2006.
The main problem is the rights rift between CBS (who can order Trek made for TV) and Paramount Pictures (who greenlit JJ Abrams' film). The rumour is nothing can done for television until the film has proved whether it's still a going concern for the big screen or not.
The main strategy seems to have been to starve the fans, in the hopes they increase the bums on seats numbers for Star Trek 2009. Biting Paramount's hand off for whatever is eventually offered.
Sadly, I doubt we'll ever see what anything Enterprise related now. Which is a shame considering how gritty and promising Seasons Three & Four were respectively.
The main problem is the rights rift between CBS (who can order Trek made for TV) and Paramount Pictures (who greenlit JJ Abrams' film). The rumour is nothing can done for television until the film has proved whether it's still a going concern for the big screen or not.
The main strategy seems to have been to starve the fans, in the hopes they increase the bums on seats numbers for Star Trek 2009. Biting Paramount's hand off for whatever is eventually offered.
Sadly, I doubt we'll ever see what anything Enterprise related now. Which is a shame considering how gritty and promising Seasons Three & Four were respectively.
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The mandatory Enterprise bash been filed.Yes, I'm sure 3 more seasons of Enterprise would have just killed Star Trek.
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Seriously?! So you were just being ironic? Hmmm.... apologies... 
I understood ya, Matt. People usually claim that more ENT would have been terrible, horrible, the end times for Star Trek. The eye-roll at the end of his statement suggests the opposite of what he meant.
I wonder want would have happened to ENT's final season since it would have been the same year of the strike. I guess it depends if they were in a story arc or if they were still doing the mini arcs and what their plan would be to wrap up the show.
I wonder want would have happened to ENT's final season since it would have been the same year of the strike. I guess it depends if they were in a story arc or if they were still doing the mini arcs and what their plan would be to wrap up the show.
Well if they continued to go one season, one year, they would have been in the middle of the Romulan War.
It was a business decision.
That was what I meant. Paramount would have given Manny a chance to save it, if Berman still wasn't in the legal mix. Not to put to fine a point on it, but consider the timing here. Nemesis had blown up in 2002 and Paramounrt had had it with Berman, but he had them all tied up in contract knots. They couldn't do Trek without him as long as he was producing Trek product. The one surviving Trek on the air had Berman incompetence seeping through it, as evidenced with his desperate gimmicks being substituted for actual story and character. Berman was poisoning the brand.
Example:
http://trekmovie.com/2006/09/12/is-rick-berman-holding-up-new-trek/
Cotto tried, man how he tried; but as long as that zombie, Berman, hung around, the Enterprise series was going to be legally ended for cause, so Paramount could close the last contractual tie they had with that !@#$%^&, Berman. They couldn't bring in new blood for Trek, as long as Berman controlled any production say on the brand.
So Enterprise had to die. Now that Berman has no contract, let's hope that he is buried in the backlots of Vancouver to do hack writing for that other moronic producer, Ron Moore, and that they both continue to fizzle out in obscurity on the fringes of proper science fiction.
Just be thankful that he is out of there, and remind yourself what it cost to get rid of him.
Manny had some dumb ideas, like thinking the Cloud Miners from TOS was an interesting episode that Trekkers wanted to see fleshed out. I'm glad the guy didn't get the wheel. In fact, I'm not sure really any of the writers should've been given the wheel. Maybe Reeves-Stevens? Joss Whedon? At least Joss writes interesting dialog, creates intriguring characters and knows how to depict women (a problem for Berman, Braga and Coto).
The more time goes by, the happier I am that ENT died after 4 seasons. I didn't like the direction of much of season 4 (to Decker's quote), I thought it was mostly rubbish.
The real culprit that at least Bakula listed as the problem was Paramount itself. I think they sabatoged the series from the beginning -- by pushing production right away -- and then didn't support the show throughout. I also think the way production was handled killed Enterprise: the writers, actors and directors hardly ever interacted. The writers handed off their script to the actors and directors as complete. The actors sometimes stumbled over the not-to-be-changed dialog without being able to make changes. And the directors (many and varied) had no control over the script. Where is the art?! The writers, directors and actors all own Enterprise equally.
That's in stark comparison to TOS. Writers wrote and then handed it off to the director to worked with the actors. For example, Leonard Nimoy read a script that forced Spock to beat someone over the head. Nimoy said, "You know, I don't think Spock would do that" and the Vulcan neck pinch was born.
I think the actors would've very much liked to have a say in their characters, but really didn't. I think the production staff needed backing from Paramount and for the most part didn't have it. And I think the writers needed a little quality control and didn't receive it in four years.
The more time goes by, the happier I am that ENT died after 4 seasons. I didn't like the direction of much of season 4 (to Decker's quote), I thought it was mostly rubbish.
The real culprit that at least Bakula listed as the problem was Paramount itself. I think they sabatoged the series from the beginning -- by pushing production right away -- and then didn't support the show throughout. I also think the way production was handled killed Enterprise: the writers, actors and directors hardly ever interacted. The writers handed off their script to the actors and directors as complete. The actors sometimes stumbled over the not-to-be-changed dialog without being able to make changes. And the directors (many and varied) had no control over the script. Where is the art?! The writers, directors and actors all own Enterprise equally.
That's in stark comparison to TOS. Writers wrote and then handed it off to the director to worked with the actors. For example, Leonard Nimoy read a script that forced Spock to beat someone over the head. Nimoy said, "You know, I don't think Spock would do that" and the Vulcan neck pinch was born.
I think the actors would've very much liked to have a say in their characters, but really didn't. I think the production staff needed backing from Paramount and for the most part didn't have it. And I think the writers needed a little quality control and didn't receive it in four years.
No, I will not be thankful.
All UPN had to do was show for Manny and his team and keep Berman from writing. Just like season 4.
By the tome Manny got to it, it was a rotting festering corpse. Nothing short of a reboot was/is going to save Trek.
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The captain [and legal owner of the disaster that was Enterprise was Berman. Cotto wouldn't even have legal standing to try, if Berman hadn't been scared that Paramount were trying to force him out. He had to give permission. in this case. There was very little that Paramount could do legally, otherwise. By the time Cotto arrived, the Paramount decision to kill it was already in the works.
The actors owned the catastrophe? In what way? They were told what to spricht, so they sprecht. That wasn't Paramount dictating to Enterprise. It was Berman uber alles. You saw that formulaic straitjacket hack's concepts in Voyager prior to Enterprise. Whatever you may complain about Chuckles [Robert Beltram as Chakotay] he was deadly accurate in many of his complaints about Voyager that we see repeated in Enterprise. Cute annoying alien that you want to turn into a throw rug, sex object that wears a ridiculous costume [Bragga casting couch contribution] bad writing, ridiculous storylines, plotholes and discontinuities galore, inept captain and crew portrayed who trechnobabble or deux ex machina their way through time and space; reset button, reset button, reset button. All Paramount suits actually would see of that crap is the Nielsens:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Star_Trek:_Enterprise_episodes
Graph the numbers on a line graph. Loss of half of advertising revenue to below cost per episode to produce nuimbers and you die.
3.5 is okay. 1.75 and the suits cancel you. Now Paramount deliberately chose to drive those numbers down when they put Enterprise into a kill-them-dead timeslot in the fourth season.
It was a business decision to get rid of Berman.
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Yeah, Bragga, too: they weren't nicknamed the "Killer B's" for nothing.^1
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^1 Another franchise killer is Ronald Moore and his pet dufus, David Eick, (who, himself, killed The Bionic Woman franchise in record time), the Berman clone (clown?) and protege', but that "story" belongs in another forum entirely.
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The captain [and legal owner of the disaster that was Enterprise was Berman. Cotto wouldn't even have legal standing to try, if Berman hadn't been scared that Paramount were trying to force him out. He had to give permission. in this case. There was very little that Paramount could do legally, otherwise. By the time Cotto arrived, the Paramount decision to kill it was already in the works.
The actors owned the catastrophe? In what way? They were told what to spricht, so they sprecht. That wasn't Paramount dictating to Enterprise. It was Berman uber alles. You saw that formulaic straitjacket hack's concepts in Voyager prior to Enterprise. Whatever you may complain about Chuckles [Robert Beltram as Chakotay] he was deadly accurate in many of his complaints about Voyager that we see repeated in Enterprise. Cute annoying alien that you want to turn into a throw rug, sex object that wears a ridiculous costume [Bragga casting couch contribution] bad writing, ridiculous storylines, plotholes and discontinuities galore, inept captain and crew portrayed who trechnobabble or deux ex machina their way through time and space; reset button, reset button, reset button. All Paramount suits actually would see of that crap is the Nielsens:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Star_Trek:_Enterprise_episodes
Graph the numbers on a line graph. Loss of half of advertising revenue to below cost per episode to produce nuimbers and you die.
3.5 is okay. 1.75 and the suits cancel you. Now Paramount deliberately chose to drive those numbers down when they put Enterprise into a kill-them-dead timeslot in the fourth season.
It was a business decision to get rid of Berman.
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Yeah, Bragga, too: they weren't nicknamed the "Killer B's" for nothing.^1
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^1 Another franchise killer is Ronald Moore and his pet dufus, David Eick, (who, himself, killed The Bionic Woman franchise in record time), the Berman clone (clown?) and protege', but that "story" belongs in another forum entirely.
They didn't even try to give Manny a chance.
And why was Berman less involved with Enterprise the last season?
They should have done the same thing through the last 3 years.
They got rid of Enterprise because it didn't attract the demos they wanted. not because of Berman.
I was gutted when Enterprise was cancelled. I prefered it to DS9 and VOY, But I guess that tv viewers had overdosed on star trek by the time ENT came around, so it really didn't have much chance of succeding from the start. If you think about it we were kind of lucky to get four seasons. Ask any Firefly fan what they would give to have had four seasons of that show.
It always amuses me when people look for really elaborate political reasons for ENT's cancellation when it was really cancelled for one very simple reason:
It cost a lot to produce each episode and advertisers weren't paying UPN enough to air commercials during ENT's timeslot for UPN to pay for production. It's really that simple. The costs were exceeding the revenues; there was no profit.
It is, in fact, something of a minor miracle that ENT got four seasons instead of three. Most shows that did as poorly as ENT in revenue generating would not have gotten four seasons. UPN and Paramount kept it on for an additional season so that they could bring the episode count up to near 100, which Paramount could then use to make a profit in syndication. They were willing to lose money for a year to make that money back in syndication; they would not have been willing to lose money for four years to bring the season count up to seven.
It cost a lot to produce each episode and advertisers weren't paying UPN enough to air commercials during ENT's timeslot for UPN to pay for production. It's really that simple. The costs were exceeding the revenues; there was no profit.
It is, in fact, something of a minor miracle that ENT got four seasons instead of three. Most shows that did as poorly as ENT in revenue generating would not have gotten four seasons. UPN and Paramount kept it on for an additional season so that they could bring the episode count up to near 100, which Paramount could then use to make a profit in syndication. They were willing to lose money for a year to make that money back in syndication; they would not have been willing to lose money for four years to bring the season count up to seven.
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