But the Temoporal Cold War was a good one?
Like Voyager, Enterprise was a great concept that went down the crapper in the first episode. Unlike Voyager, it recovered after Manny Cotto took charge.
Enterprise should of had seven seasons
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But the Temoporal Cold War was a good one?
Like Voyager, Enterprise was a great concept that went down the crapper in the first episode. Unlike Voyager, it recovered after Manny Cotto took charge.
But the Temoporal Cold War was a good one?
The TCW was interesting, but got completely killed by Coto without thought. I'm not sure where Berman and Braga were going, but at least it seemed planned out.
Coto had the crappiest episodes of season 4. So I think death belongs to most of the head writers. I'll say again -- Joss Whedon or Reeves/Stevens would've been great.
But the Temoporal Cold War was a good one?
The TCW was interesting, but got completely killed by Coto without thought. I'm not sure where Berman and Braga were going, but at least it seemed planned out.
Coto had the crappiest episodes of season 4. So I think death belongs to most of the head writers. I'll say again -- Joss Whedon or Reeves/Stevens would've been great.
I love Joss Whedon to death, and think that his work is superior to all of Trek's, but he would be a completely inappropriate writer for Star Trek.
Why?
Joss Whedon's stories are generally very tragic in some way. They're not based on a fundamental optimism, a fundamental belief that Things Will Get Better (TM). Star Trek is.
Really, the best non-Trek writer I know of for Trek would be someone like Aaron Sorkin, whose show The West Wing was bursting with the kind of optimism that Star Trek's all about.
I've said it before and I'll say it again... Yes, it should have. It didn't really matter to me how it continued. Like Seasons 1 & 2 (exploration), Season 3 (military) or 4 (prequel). I liked the characters, the ship and the premise more than anything Trek did since DS9. Probably on an equal footing with TNG midway through. Sure it misfired several times a year but I honestly can't think of show that doesn't.
Actually the one aspect I was looking forward to, knowing the time period, was the Romulan War and the emergence of an alliance between different races. We only got a taster of that and it's only now thanks to the novels, fans are getting the pay-off, some 3 years after the cancellation. It should have been so different... under the right management, at a time when TV Executives were more Trek tolerant.
Actually the one aspect I was looking forward to, knowing the time period, was the Romulan War and the emergence of an alliance between different races. We only got a taster of that and it's only now thanks to the novels, fans are getting the pay-off, some 3 years after the cancellation. It should have been so different... under the right management, at a time when TV Executives were more Trek tolerant.
I was really looking foward to seeing how they would do the Romulan War. They cancelled the show shortly before the start of it. I beleave it would have started during the fifth season (2156).
Though I can't wait for next October when the Enterprise nove The Romulan War comes out.
Though I can't wait for next October when the Enterprise nove The Romulan War comes out.
I think season 3 showed that the writers were willing to go "not everything works out." In fact, that's why I like season 3 best. One of the things that concerns me about Ent is that many of the great conflict worked out in season 3 never gets resolved or exploited for full dramatic effect. Joss, for example, never would've let T'Pol's drug addiction go without a really great scene in season 4 where characters confronted her. That's really what they needed.
I mean, how silly is it to give the characters flaws and not have them flaunted and aired? Joss never would've let that happen.
I'd be up for that! I quite liked West Wing and think he -- also -- knows how to bring in drama and really maximize it. He too never would bring up something with a character that he couldn't or wouldn't work out.
Coto was sloppy. Sorkin and Whedon are more polished.
Trek fans have heaped huge amounts of blame on both Bragga and Berman for the current state of the franchise. So much so it's a cliche' to bring it up again.
blame two BB's, I was one who was totally supporting enterprise, even got in to the organization of things to save the show, but ultimately it was mistakes that two B's made (won't mention names, but you all know who I am, on about), they ensured Enterprise failed from the start go, and I really really looked forward to this show, when Manny Coto joined, things improved, but even him couldn't save the show
While the writers made some stupid decisions early in the series the movement by the network to a different target audience was even bigger. Like the LV Hilton, the executives did not want Star Trek anymore. Not much you can do about that.
I used to be really angry at the writers until I went back and watched TOS on DVD. Honestly, all the complaints about the writing on Enterprise could be echoed to TOS.
I used to be really angry at the writers until I went back and watched TOS on DVD. Honestly, all the complaints about the writing on Enterprise could be echoed to TOS.
it would be cool to see Star Trek Enterprise TV "The Movie" sort of do a 2 hour thing, cover Earth Romulan War, and proper movie about the creation of the UFP. 
it would be cool to see Star Trek Enterprise TV "The Movie" sort of do a 2 hour thing, cover Earth Romulan War, and proper movie about the creation of the UFP.
Even though I don't see that happening (ever, actually), I will allow myself some fanboy wishful thinking.
I think that a couple of really good TV (or straight to DVD, whatever) movies could be based on the last two ENT novels ("The good that men do" and "Kobayashi Maru"), assuming of course that they be adequately adapted for TV. Those books had flaws, sure, but I enjoyed them immensely.
But the Temoporal Cold War was a good one?
I liked the idea of the Temporal Cold War. Manny did some great stuff for Enterprise, but made it way to TOS similar. It's one thing for Enterprise to be transforming into TOS, but to have everything like TOS I didn't care for much.
This is why I didn't think Enterprise was gonna work, even though I know I said Enterprise should of had seven seasons. I said that for the fact it was a Trek show, but they should of just made Enterprise anther TOS-era show instead of a prequal. That way, they could introduce new species and use the same aliens and there wouldn't be any continuity problems.
But the Temoporal Cold War was a good one?
I liked the idea of the Temporal Cold War. Manny did some great stuff for Enterprise, but made it way to TOS similar. It's one thing for Enterprise to be transforming into TOS, but to have everything like TOS I didn't care for much.
This is why I didn't think Enterprise was gonna work, even though I know I said Enterprise should of had seven seasons. I said that for the fact it was a Trek show, but they should of just made Enterprise anther TOS-era show instead of a prequal. That way, they could introduce new species and use the same aliens and there wouldn't be any continuity problems.
I hated Temoporal Cold War, was glad when they decided to go in the other direction, also Xindi arc was so,, just angry about whole thing to be honest, its better if I say nothing about this...
The Temporal Cold War wasn't really planned out, something that B&B bragged about.
Anyway, if Season 4 had been Season 3, then the show probably could've been saved. Even if the opinion of television critics doesn't matter (and they started to return to the show during Season 4), word-of-mouth among the audience most certainly does.
Anyway, if Season 4 had been Season 3, then the show probably could've been saved. Even if the opinion of television critics doesn't matter (and they started to return to the show during Season 4), word-of-mouth among the audience most certainly does.
Because ENT's ratings sank faster than the Lusitania.
That's why it was cancelled.
But the Temoporal Cold War was a good one?
I liked the idea of the Temporal Cold War. Manny did some great stuff for Enterprise, but made it way to TOS similar. It's one thing for Enterprise to be transforming into TOS, but to have everything like TOS I didn't care for much.
This is why I didn't think Enterprise was gonna work, even though I know I said Enterprise should of had seven seasons. I said that for the fact it was a Trek show, but they should of just made Enterprise anther TOS-era show instead of a prequal. That way, they could introduce new species and use the same aliens and there wouldn't be any continuity problems.
I hated Temoporal Cold War, was glad when they decided to go in the other direction, also Xindi arc was so,, just angry about whole thing to be honest, its better if I say nothing about this...
The Xindi arc was a good way to steer the franchise (and the concept) back to Star Trek territory and lead up to TOS.
Okay, then I'll do it for you: Yes, ENTERPRISE got better in season four, but, it was too little, too late. Season three was shit, and one and two were VOYAGER rip-offs (though to be fair, their were good episodes in both seasons).
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