Talk about elitism. It's reactions like this that drive new people away from Star Trek. Get over it. JJ and co have NEVER said this film would be one for one with every visual nook and cranny of TOS, for gods sake you're crying because the bridge set is slightly different yet every single character during that era is going to be played by a different actor. If you can use your SOD for that, use it for a 21st centruy budgeted update of the style.
Enterprise Bridge Console - discuss!
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ST-One
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I have also heard the 'theory' from people who hated (the idea) of 'Enterprise' but still wanted to fit it in the (as you call it) aesthetic continuity and established canon that the events of 'First Contact' changed the timeline and thus gave us a new history to watch. That way any inconsistencies can be explained away.
The new film could be part of this new timeline...
Who knows. But then the TOS Defiant in "IaMD" should have been retroactively changed by the time it ended up in the Mirror Universe. The entire ENTERPRISE timeline takes place "after" FIRST CONTACT and any subtle timeline alterations that might have theoretically happened. Yet the Defiant in "IaMD" looks exactly like the old TOS Enterprise.
To those dudes who consider this a reboot if anything changes from TOS (design of the ship, etc), then yeah this is a reboot. To expect those thing to remain the same for a mega budgeted movie that is not targeted purely for Trek fans would be extremely naive. Even in 1979 (for another big budgeted Star Trek movie), with the creator of TOS himself in charge, they didn't want to keep the same TV design. So to expect things to be different in 2008 is not realistic and would simply lead to disappointment.
So if it makes you feel better then ST08 is a reboot. TMP was a reboot with the Klingon makeup change, though DS9 & ENT fixed that, but then again DS9 & ENT were reboots too themselves so that probably doesn't count.
So if it makes you feel better then ST08 is a reboot. TMP was a reboot with the Klingon makeup change, though DS9 & ENT fixed that, but then again DS9 & ENT were reboots too themselves so that probably doesn't count.
But the Defiant is from OURS.ST-One said:
Yes, but that mirror-universe is a different universe/timeline anyway.
The theory would still work
ST-One
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cooleddie74 said:
But the Defiant is from OURS.ST-One said:
Yes, but that mirror-universe is a different universe/timeline anyway.
The theory would still work
Yes, I know.
Doesn't cange a thing though...
Either we saw in that episode how the Mirror-Universe as we already knew it began...
Or we could assume that this too was an alternative Mirror-Universe (just as the 'Enterprise' timeline is an alternative universe to ours)
*I know, this is a HUGE fan-wank...
^
Not to mention INCREDIBLY migraine-inducing...ugh.
Not to mention INCREDIBLY migraine-inducing...ugh.
VOYAGER seemed to have more time travel episodes than the other four shows combined. Ugh. I love the basic concept, but it was done to overkill in televised TREK between 1987 and 2005.
Ugh. I love the basic concept, but it was done to overkill in televised TREK between 1987 and 2005.ST-One said:
Yes, but that mirror-universe is a different universe/timeline anyway.
The theory would still work
I'm partial to the "this is a made-up story" explanation myself.
I wonder if the turbolift door will be directly behind the captain's chair, or kept at an angle as in TOS?
It does nothing of the kind.
These things are ensured:
- Starfleet starship bridges are removable modules that can be replaced at will.
- The 1701 bridge *even within TOS* was not consistent. There were THREE different bridges: Cage, WNMHGB, and the regular one.
- The time frame of *this* bridge is completely unknown. For all we know, it's 2245 and the ship is brand new. Therefore it could have a completely different bridge from the other three we've seen.
- For that matter, the bridge might not even be finished (as a set) when that photo was taken. They may have been in the middle of building it.
- It would help if we knew what console JJ was sitting at. We don't, so we can make no assumptions about reboots and shit like that.
- As brightly lit as that thing is, it may mean something else entirely. Maybe it's not meant to be lit up like that when the ship is in flight?
Fanwanking though this may be (side note: whoever came up with that insult should be beaten like a rented mule 
), the bright lighting might be turned off (or down) during normal use, resulting in a bridge that looks more like what we're used to.
), the bright lighting might be turned off (or down) during normal use, resulting in a bridge that looks more like what we're used to.
So you're saying Star Trek isn't real?Starship Polaris said:
ST-One said:
Yes, but that mirror-universe is a different universe/timeline anyway.
The theory would still work
I'm partial to the "this is a made-up story" explanation myself.
:looking at corridor pic:
Oh...My...God! It's Dark! Star Trek has never done Dark before!
NuBSG! NuBSG!
:looking at bridge pic:
Yes! TOS! TOS! ::grin:
"Ambassador Spock hitches a ride on a science vessel! It looks too 24th century to be Enterprise"
Wait! Its a 24th century ship!
"As brightly lit as that thing is, it may mean something else entirely. Maybe it's not meant to be lit up like that when the ship is in flight?"
"Unless the movie is taking place within the Celestial Temple Of The Prophets, no, the lighting is not representative of what we'll see in TrekXI.
nuBSG! nuBSG! nuBSG! 
"This photo was taken on the LAST day/night of filming on the bridge set."
TOS! TOS! TOS! TOS!
Oh...My...God! It's Dark! Star Trek has never done Dark before!
NuBSG! NuBSG!:looking at bridge pic:
Yes! TOS! TOS! ::grin:
"Ambassador Spock hitches a ride on a science vessel! It looks too 24th century to be Enterprise"
Wait! Its a 24th century ship!
"As brightly lit as that thing is, it may mean something else entirely. Maybe it's not meant to be lit up like that when the ship is in flight?"
"Unless the movie is taking place within the Celestial Temple Of The Prophets, no, the lighting is not representative of what we'll see in TrekXI.
nuBSG! nuBSG! nuBSG!
"This photo was taken on the LAST day/night of filming on the bridge set."
TOS! TOS! TOS! TOS!
trevanian
Rear Admiral
the grid graphic looks very current-military to Moore's BSG to me, but then again, it also looks like the bridge graphic in TMP of the vger weapons encircling the earth.
It is hard to tell about whether the set is lit or not, because lots of times you will overlight a set and then stop down to get greater depth of field ... that happens a lot on horror pics to get depth in night scenes (which is why when you see a behind the scenes of NIGHT MARE ON ELM sequels that it seems so bright on set compared to the final film), and would be useful on a big bridge set if you needed depth of field and couldn't use a wide lens.
The idea of having it bright some of the time, then going dark for battle conditions (a la TFF) is fine by me; TOS did that as well, but was even more gutsy (the BOT shot where ALL the lights are off except the blinker at the back by the lift and the helm light -- both red -- is very exciting visually, even now.
It is hard to tell about whether the set is lit or not, because lots of times you will overlight a set and then stop down to get greater depth of field ... that happens a lot on horror pics to get depth in night scenes (which is why when you see a behind the scenes of NIGHT MARE ON ELM sequels that it seems so bright on set compared to the final film), and would be useful on a big bridge set if you needed depth of field and couldn't use a wide lens.
The idea of having it bright some of the time, then going dark for battle conditions (a la TFF) is fine by me; TOS did that as well, but was even more gutsy (the BOT shot where ALL the lights are off except the blinker at the back by the lift and the helm light -- both red -- is very exciting visually, even now.
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