Enterprise Bridge Console - discuss!

[EliyahuQeoni]

Did people get this upset about the Enterprise Bridge changing almost completely between Star Trek V and VI with no explanation? I mean it wasn't just a cosmetic change, the turbo-lift shafts were moved! Did anyone complain that STVI was a reboot? Or that STIII was because Saavik suddenly look completely different with no explanation? I honestly don't see the updating of the SFX in STXI to be ay different than the above cases. They didn't bother me much then & they don't bother me at all now.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

EliyahuQeoni said:

Babaganoosh said:
Hell, if Gene Roddenberry could seriously claim that the Klingons always looked like they did in TMP...

Exactly! Which means its not a reboot, its a retcon

Agreed.

 

[scotthm]

Starship Polaris said:
"Reimagined" is a marketing term essentially made up to promote Tim Burton's "Planet Of The Apes" remake.

One can only pray that this new Star Trek film is a much better 'reimagining' than POTA was.

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[Knucles2]

I dont care if it's retoned/reimagined/rebooted. just as long as it's entertaining and looks just the way i think it should !!!
Hey, fanwanking can be fun !!!

 

[ST-One]

Patrickivan said:
Here is the Enterprise. This is from StarTrek.com. So far, there is no other 1701 other then the variation with Pike and after- though pretty much the same. So horribly dated. I am so glad JJ "modernized" it by making it look clunky and industial!

Funny that her shapes (judging from the little we could see in the teaser) look very smooth and not at all clunky and industrial.

Patrickivan said:
And this bridge- another example of a dated look. Let's modernize it by making it look more clunky too!

You have seen the new bridge?

 

[JoeZhang]

Patrickivan said:

I'm just perplexed how JJ is going to explain how the Enterprise shown in the Teaser goes from looking like that, back to the horrible dated 60's Enterprise above (because it's NOT a reboot, it has to now), before being yet refitted again BACK to the ship (TMP) that looks a lot like the ship shown in the teaser. But it's not a reboot like he said it wasn't.

How is he going to explain it? I guess he's not - because nobody cares besides a small group of people who are not the target audience.

 

[EliyahuQeoni]

He's going to explain it the same way Roddenberry explained the Klingons looking different post-TMP. He won't.

And yes, I know the Klingon thing was eventually explained, but I doubt very much Roddenberry ever had any intention of doing so himself and I personally think it was better off that way.

 

[Son_of_Soong]

Most explanations are good but sometimes a little mystery and imagination work just as well.

 

[Patrickivan]

scotthm said:

Starship Polaris said:
"Reimagined" is a marketing term essentially made up to promote Tim Burton's "Planet Of The Apes" remake.

One can only pray that this new Star Trek film is a much better 'reimagining' than POTA was.

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I agree- WTF Were they thinking having the ape telling the human to get his hands off of him?!?!

It also seems that it's only a small group of people who are for a re-boot. So what's the relevance in saying that only a small group don't want a re-boot. And again, certain nay sayers have tried twisting my words in an attempt to attack instead of presenting a rational argument. In the grand scope of who will generate the revenue for this movie, Trek fans will account for next to nothing. Assuming the general public actually go see the film.

They should call it Star Trek: J.J. The Final Search For Original Ideas. That'll get people in. But I am jumping to conclusions now because some of you are so easy to get worked up, that it's ridiculous. But those of you that make it easy now bore me with your singular responses, and blind platitudes for the Revered JJ.

 

[Son_of_Soong]

If they used any storyline from any other Trek series (apart from Enterprise)... can they claim it to be original since its happened BEFORE the time it came from? :-S

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

Patrickivan said:

scotthm said:

Starship Polaris said:
"Reimagined" is a marketing term essentially made up to promote Tim Burton's "Planet Of The Apes" remake.

One can only pray that this new Star Trek film is a much better 'reimagining' than POTA was.

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I agree- WTF Were they thinking having the ape telling the human to get his hands off of him?!?!

I loved that - along with Heston's character's little anti-gun rant.

"Damn dirty humans. Damn them all to Hell."

 

[Sharr Khan]

Patrickivan said:
And this bridge- another example of a dated look. Let's modernize it by making it look more clunky too!

I wouldn't exactly deem ToS bridge "streamlined" its clunky. You know with Kirk's command block (the center seat) as my friend and I used to call it.

And somehow I think that streamlined will apply more to this version... not that one of us has yet see the bridge. If so pass on that picture and let us judge for ourselves.

That consule looks very much to echo the old but at the same time be ah - streamlined and no not in a TNG way. Unless you think update means it TNG. And I'm sorry these guys aren't being paid to make a replica.

Sharr

 

[Son_of_Soong]

Good thing about prequals is they dont have to be exactly the same as they were later on because you can always blow the crap out of the ship and simply rebuild it to match in the next movie

 

[JBElliott]

Meh, I can't say I'm surprised or impressed with the peak of the Enterprise bridge. It looks a lot like what we saw in TMP, the last time TOS was "reimagined" for the first time. So much for making the look of things like TOS but in high definition (something I think Pine said and sounded like a good idea).

As for "reimaging" vs. "rebooting" or whatever, from the leaks about the script, Abrams has made his way out. Given the time travel involved, nothing has to look like TOS even before old Spock comes back to team up with young Spock to save young Kirk from future Romulans (sounds like a fanboy script to be, but go figure). The future Romulans could have tried and failed before old Spock found out about things, so things can look however Abrams want them too look.

It's a pity too since the look of TOS could easily be updated a bit and look great. Staying true to the source material isn't impossible. It seems as Zack Snyder is doing it on Watchmen and Robert Rodriguez had a good deal of success doing the same with Sin City.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

What Orci said this weekend about the dreaded "R" words:

We have been careful not to put too much stock in terms like re-boot or re-imagining because these terms do not sufficiently describe, in my opinion, the way in which Star Trek (Zero) will fit into the continuum.

 

[KennyB]

Patrickivan said:
Babaganoosh,



I'm just perplexed how JJ is going to explain how the Enterprise shown in the Teaser goes from looking like that, back to the horrible dated 60's Enterprise above (because it's NOT a reboot, it has to now), before being yet refitted again BACK to the ship (TMP) that looks a lot like the ship shown in the teaser. But it's not a reboot like he said it wasn't.

Something I use to explain little things like that.......


IT'S MAKE BELIEVE!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Patrickivan]

KennyB said:

Patrickivan said:
Babaganoosh,



I'm just perplexed how JJ is going to explain how the Enterprise shown in the Teaser goes from looking like that, back to the horrible dated 60's Enterprise above (because it's NOT a reboot, it has to now), before being yet refitted again BACK to the ship (TMP) that looks a lot like the ship shown in the teaser. But it's not a reboot like he said it wasn't.

Something I use to explain little things like that.......


IT'S MAKE BELIEVE!!!!!!!!!!

IT IS NOT MAKE BELIEVE! YOU TAKE THAT BACK!!!!

I believe- I believe- I believe!

Oh

It's

Not

Real



oh my

 

[scotthm]

Starship Polaris said:
What Orci said this weekend about the dreaded "R" words:

We have been careful not to put too much stock in terms like re-boot or re-imagining because these terms do not sufficiently describe, in my opinion, the way in which Star Trek (Zero) will fit into the continuum.

I don't suppose he offered any words that do better describe how "Star Trek (Zero)" fits in?

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[Admiral Buzzkill]

No, I don't think giving people a convenient label is to the advantage of anyone who is trying to create interest in the film. Orci, Abrams and others have had quite a bit to say lately about what they're doing and how and why, though.

 

[scotthm]

Starship Polaris said:
Orci, Abrams and others have had quite a bit to say lately about what they're doing and how and why, though.

I see that. I just read the following on TrekMovie.com:

And here are some of the key findings in the follow-up weekend discussions with Roberto Orci:
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the TOS episode "Balance of Terror" and the second, third, fourth and sixth films helped shape the writers’ takes on the characters, as did novels by Judith and Garfield Reeves-Stevens.

I personally don't find it very comforting that they seem to be focusing on the movies and novels for characterization rather than the original episodes. I had hoped they would be going to the roots of Trek for that.

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