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DS9 on blu ray?

Raise your hand if you still have a VHS player AND use it.

I do.

"Be Kind. Please Rewind"
 
...and people have reverted back to watching stuff on vcr so they will no longer know what HD means.

Pfft...

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Raise your hand if you still have a VHS player AND use it.

I do.

"Be Kind. Please Rewind"
Actually I have two D-VHS machines that I still use for recordings. The 40k model, with a DF-480 tape allows for upto 24 hours of SD recording on one tape at about the low-end of DVD quality (of course I've seen some Sony DVD recorders that pack 14 hours on one 4.7GB disc that is hardly watchable).

But those 30k's got refurbished quite a bit because the MPEG-decoders in them were extremely buggy. D-VHS had originally been designed as a SD machine, that had its highest SD mode record at what would've been the equivalent of LP on S-VHS and regular VHS players.
 
DVD's are 480p. The numbers are short hand for the number of pixels on the screen. The higher the number, normally the better clarity of picture.

Or 480i, which is two 720x240 fields interlaced temporally to make 1 frame. Interlace lines can sometimes be seen in fast-panning camera movements, sometimes scene fading, and other scene changes. Deinterlacing functions in TV sets or software can make 2 interlaced fields look like a unified progressive (480P) frame but the scan lines can more readily be seen.

There's also source quality material - a DVD or blu-ray at native resolution can still suck if the trv or film master used is of poor quality or, especially if put on blu-ray, a videotape source (480i).

TOS, TNG and Enterprise are all HD now. Best way to watch DS9? I think DVD or Streaming are roughly equal.

I'd go for DVD, with player and TV set both capable of doing good upscaling - some low-cost brands do terrible upscaling. In no order: Samsung and Sony often have the best picture processing functionality to upscale and improve video quality from a low-res source to a higher-res output. Still, gimme PowerDVD any day.

Streaming, along with higher compression and more compression-induced artifacting, has frames ripped out to improve bitrate usage. It really shows on videotaped material (30FPS down to 24 or 20). Film is 24fps but reduced frames aren't as noticed unless they rip out too many. 120HZ televisions try to artificially create frames by looking at two adjacent frames and drawing what it believes to be a midpoint, to make a smoother image but, whew, it's not perfect. It's not unlike that VidFIRE process the Doctor Who restoration team people used only a bit different...
 
I'm curious about my Element tv and DS9 dvd's played on a blu ray player. Would this look better than what you get to see on Amazon Prime? My tv does say it's HDTV and is 50" Class LED, whatever that means.

Jason
 
Maybe neural networks can help to bring DS9 (and VOY) to HD in the future. ;)

DVD cap:
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1080p enhanced via neural network:
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More examples:
https://imgur.com/a/aUWM8

Via this service:
https://letsenhance.io
 
Interesting...but it seems to create a few...odd textures.

Yea. The network doesnt know much about Trek in high resolution. It would need to be fed with high res photographs of sets, costumes and actors, so it could use these to replace the low res elements.

A detail from the Klingon uniform:
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I'm not sure that's a massive improvement. It just looks like aggressive edge sharpening - you can likely get a similar effect by upscaling on your Blu-ray player and using the sharpening feature on your TV.
 
Yea. The network doesnt know much about Trek in high resolution. It would need to be fed with high res photographs of sets, costumes and actors, so it could use these to replace the low res elements.

One could build the AI to use temporal analysis which (despite sounding like trecknobabble from a time travel episode) is actually just a fancy term for analyzing multiple frames and extrapolating based on details visible in one frame but not the next. Should be much better than this attempt, which is looking at frames one at a time and matching it to known items. Next gen AI is going to require orders of magnitude less training than current systems. The AI that recently made news for obsoleting ReCaptcha is an example. It will be able to recognize that Pattern X in frame 2,501 is the the same thing as Pattern Y in frame 2,502 without us telling it that.

TBH, if we're ever going to see DS9-HD, AI is how it's going to happen. At least it will be a big part of it. TNG-R was (while being an unprecedented feat) too expensive of a methodology. Still, I'd give it 10 years before someone tries to sell an AI remaster. Honestly, DS9 is probably a good candidate for a launch product. Not many series from the 80's and 90's are going to have much of an appeal or following 30 years after the fact. Nobody's asking for a remaster of Highlander: The Series.
 
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