Styrofoam rocks. THANKS A LOT, GENE RODDENBERRY.
Does anyone here believe the Moon Landings were fake?
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Styrofoam rocks. THANKS A LOT, GENE RODDENBERRY.
You clearly haven't tasted the McRib...
I’m having trouble following, would you mind elaborating?
Liars need to be called out on lies, otherwise they keep lying.
Do you believe that the adage “don’t keep all your eggs in one basket” is good advice? That’s what Space colonies could do for humanity.
Oh, hey, do you have a smoke detector? Cordless drill? Dustbuster?
They came from outer space!
Humanity is going to need someplace to go, once we're done shitting up this planet.
http://www.planetary.org/blogs/casey-dreier/2018/20180322-fy18-omnibus.html
The NASA budget is $20.8 billion dollars, out of a $4.1 trillion dollar federal budget. The equivalent to change in our couch cushions.
The NASA budget is $20.8 billion dollars, out of a $4.1 trillion dollar federal budget. The equivalent to change in our couch cushions.
Exactly. If the false claim isn't confronted, then those people who argue in its favor will say "It's also true because nobody is challenging it." They'll then feel totally free to continue enhancing the premise with other false claims. The moon landing hoax is bad enough as it is, but if it went unchallenged it would have even more support and additional false claims as the perpetrators continue sucking in more people to believe it.
This is also why there needs to be more push-back on the whole concept of conspiracies as well. More sites and YouTube videos explaining how conspiracies start and why they continue. The greatest fallacy is the "precedent" claim on a source, that because there was one or more conspiracies that actually happened in the past with the US government, then it's easy to believe another can easily happen again. Even though the people involved in the prior ones are long gone from their jobs where they made it happen.
The other issue is "individual conspiring" versus "grand conspiracy." Meaning, that there will be a subset of people in a government agency conspiring together to achieve some goal (like the Op-Ed revealed "team" of people who have secretly conspired to keep Donald Trump from signing damaging executive orders), but it's not the whole government participating. A government agency wide involvement would be a "grand conspiracy." Those are much harder to pull off because of the number of people involved. If such a thing took place, the chance for leaks would be high, which would compromise the whole effort and risk safety of those who were involved. This is why it's so preposterous that the US government "masterminded" 9/11, as a notable group of people still fervently believe.
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I wonder if orbiting space stations might be the answer. I mean you see that concept from time to time like in "Earth 2." I'm not sure how realistic it would be though to create a space station or stations that could keep humanity going. I'm also guessing artificial gravity might be a pipe dream like warp drive but scientist would know better if that is true.
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A space station would have to huge to hold enough people to save the species.
Rotation would be the easiest. Like the station from 2001.
Looked into this one time, IIRC 50-100.
I'm very sorry @Locutus of Bored, I feel I may have misrepresented my feelings, I feel more apathetic towards space travel rather than antagonistic, I sort of share NyotaRules' sentiment that I couldn't care less if it's real or not. I don't understand excitement for space travel (except for fiction of course!), and I wouldn't really be bothered if it's shut down or something. I believe you can do research and launch satellites and such without worrying about trying to travel to Mars, right? Otherwise you know I pretty much fully agree with you. 
I also don't agree just because benefits came from something it means that thing is good, you know? I've seen that kind of logic used before to try to justify wars. And I really don't at all buy this whole idea about survival either, you know any space colony we build is going to be so very totally dependent on Earth, so if something bad happens here you'd still be better off here than on a space colony. No matter what happens to Earth it'll still be more hospitable than Mars is, right?
I totally expect bad responses, lol. I'm fully aware I'm like a science fiction pariah because I don't believe in extraterrestrial intelligence and I don't care about real world space travel!
I also don't agree just because benefits came from something it means that thing is good, you know? I've seen that kind of logic used before to try to justify wars. And I really don't at all buy this whole idea about survival either, you know any space colony we build is going to be so very totally dependent on Earth, so if something bad happens here you'd still be better off here than on a space colony. No matter what happens to Earth it'll still be more hospitable than Mars is, right?
I totally expect bad responses, lol. I'm fully aware I'm like a science fiction pariah because I don't believe in extraterrestrial intelligence and I don't care about real world space travel!
Definitely not. It takes far more resources to keep an orbiting space station going for a large population than it would for them back on Earth. What would make much more sense is a Sea Station. A submerged habitation in the sea. Using hydroelectric power from the currents and sourcing food from the ocean life. Kelp farms. And floating solar arrays for charging sun-realistic LED lighting below, in sync with the weather above (daylight, nighttime, clear sky, cloudy sky, etc). And you eliminate the gravity problem that is posed with a space station.
I don't know, either way. But it is a might big universe for intelligence to be limited to one rock.
It is a necessity though. We will have to figure out a way to survive separate from Earth, or humanity is eventually doomed.
Not to be snarky, but if our distant ancestors had believed that a different environment to the one they lived in would be too hostile to merit the risk...
...we’d all be fish.
We are humans. We are the only species we know of with the ability to adapt to any environment on earth, either by changing it or inventing technologies, and soon, even by changing ourselves intentionally rather than waiting for nature to do it for us. We’re remaking our own planet as a BY-PRODUCT. We will make Mars our bitch if we WANT TO.
Although I would also point out that it’s likely that trying to find ways to make Mars livable will help us find better ways to live on Earth.
Because yeah, a colony in space, on the Moon, or on a Mars is going to have to be very creative and efficient if it wants to survive. It’s going to need to find ways to... oh, I don’t know... recycle almost everything? Reuse what can’t be? Remove excess heat and CO2 on a planetary scale? Utilize resources that aren’t petroleum based? (Generally, there are fewer fossil fuels where life hasn’t taken hold). Do so with high efficiency? Grow food in new and exotic ways that minimize water use and land use and provide higher yields?
Yeah, can’t see how learning to do those things could benefit people on Earth...
ETA: I like the Sea Station thing, but it still won’t save us when the asteroid hits.
...we’d all be fish.
We are humans. We are the only species we know of with the ability to adapt to any environment on earth, either by changing it or inventing technologies, and soon, even by changing ourselves intentionally rather than waiting for nature to do it for us. We’re remaking our own planet as a BY-PRODUCT. We will make Mars our bitch if we WANT TO.
Although I would also point out that it’s likely that trying to find ways to make Mars livable will help us find better ways to live on Earth.
Because yeah, a colony in space, on the Moon, or on a Mars is going to have to be very creative and efficient if it wants to survive. It’s going to need to find ways to... oh, I don’t know... recycle almost everything? Reuse what can’t be? Remove excess heat and CO2 on a planetary scale? Utilize resources that aren’t petroleum based? (Generally, there are fewer fossil fuels where life hasn’t taken hold). Do so with high efficiency? Grow food in new and exotic ways that minimize water use and land use and provide higher yields?
Yeah, can’t see how learning to do those things could benefit people on Earth...
ETA: I like the Sea Station thing, but it still won’t save us when the asteroid hits.
My late paternal grandmother, born in 1901 had a rather interesting take about the lunar landings.
She accepted the reality that they happened, yes. But she honestly believed this was an act of hubris that displeased G*d and as punishment, would send hurricanes to ravage Florida.
Yeah...
Fool that I was, I tried debating her, pointing out that storms have struck Florida years, decades, centuries, millennia before there was a space program. Her rebuttal? "G*d's all knowin'! He knew what was gonna' happen! So, just like you sometimes gotta' whip a young'n so they won't even think about doin' somethin' bad, th' Lord sent th' rains, just like in th' times of Noah!"
At that point I could only stand there, my eyes bulging and my mind boggled at the self defeating nature of her "logic", knowing that any counterpoint would be promptly ignored.
She accepted the reality that they happened, yes. But she honestly believed this was an act of hubris that displeased G*d and as punishment, would send hurricanes to ravage Florida.
Yeah...
Fool that I was, I tried debating her, pointing out that storms have struck Florida years, decades, centuries, millennia before there was a space program. Her rebuttal? "G*d's all knowin'! He knew what was gonna' happen! So, just like you sometimes gotta' whip a young'n so they won't even think about doin' somethin' bad, th' Lord sent th' rains, just like in th' times of Noah!"
At that point I could only stand there, my eyes bulging and my mind boggled at the self defeating nature of her "logic", knowing that any counterpoint would be promptly ignored.
As shown in Locutus's earlier post, many of the technologies we take for granted today are the result of research directly connected to the space program. I carry one of those foil blankets with me when I go on excursions into the wilderness, and it will also be handy in the event that I'm stranded somewhere due to a disaster/blackout/whatever. Water purification systems adapted from NASA tech have been deployed in various places that don't have access to enough clean drinking water. The medical field has been improved and refined with CT scanning. And the list goes on.
Kor
Kor
And that's not just a load of carp, either.
