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Does anyone here believe the Moon Landings were fake?

Our greatest achievement will be when humans stop slaughtering each other in the name of some god or political belief. Until then, we land on moons while some of us starve on Earth or die of thirst on a planet that is 70% water.
Thank you! I've always felt like I'm the only one who's totally confused why we're wasting so many resources on pointless space travel when there's so many problems on earth we could better spend time focusing on, right? I know I sound weird because I love science fiction, but I feel my entertainment is separate from reality.

I don't at all believe it's faked, I feel it's just ridiculous to think so, but I almost wish it was. Maybe if we found out we've never even been to the moon, you'll see us stop worrying about racing to Mars in history's greatest and most wasteful manhood measuring contest, lol.

I really wonder what great things could be done if we redirected resources and intelligence towards something useful like ending world hunger and war?
 
Going to Space I think is more about trying to inspire people and also as a means of understanding the universe thus allowing us to understand ourselves more. I also think it's seen as a last ditch effort for humanity to survive once the planet is totally trashed. Not to mention if that killer asteroid ever heads our way we will certainly be looking to NASA to save us.

Jason
 
it's seen as a last ditch effort for humanity to survive once the planet is totally trashed. Not to mention if that killer asteroid ever heads our way we will certainly be looking to NASA to save us.

Sadly, wherever you (generic) go, you take your human self with you.
 
Thank you! I've always felt like I'm the only one who's totally confused why we're wasting so many resources on pointless space travel when there's so many problems on earth we could better spend time focusing on, right? I know I sound weird because I love science fiction, but I feel my entertainment is separate from reality.

I don't at all believe it's faked, I feel it's just ridiculous to think so, but I almost wish it was. Maybe if we found out we've never even been to the moon, you'll see us stop worrying about racing to Mars in history's greatest and most wasteful manhood measuring contest, lol.

I really wonder what great things could be done if we redirected resources and intelligence towards something useful like ending world hunger and war?

The question of "why explore space when there are so many problems here on Earth" has been addressed extensively, from both sides of the issue. Here's an interesting article from Forbes: https://www.forbes.com/sites/starts...ng-in-science-is-non-negotiable/#5d5d17251647

Kor
 
Thank you! I've always felt like I'm the only one who's totally confused why we're wasting so many resources on pointless space travel when there's so many problems on earth we could better spend time focusing on, right?

Here's the short answer.
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I think you're talking about 'Operation Avalanche'?

Possibly. I don't remember the name because I had blocked it out of my memory. It had a free-camera chase at the end. I had seen it with 3 other people as part of a movie festival, and we had all agreed it was one of the worst we'd ever seen. Just a pure waste of time.

I really wonder what great things could be done if we redirected resources and intelligence towards something useful like ending world hunger and war?

While ending world hunger is a noble goal, I think that it's something that will unfortunately go on in perpetuity. Just think of the amounts of money put into that over many decades with nary a change. There's no simple solution. There's always going to be some part of the world that struggles and I doubt there will be a time when there won't be hunger issues somewhere.

War is another difficult one partly because we can't predict what kind of issues will crop up when looking towards the future, including where tensions would arise and how. If you look back at WW1, it was the act of assassination of the Archduke that sent a ripple throughout the world leading to war. We can never fully predict what's going to happen and when or why.

Going to Space I think is more about trying to inspire people and also as a means of understanding the universe thus allowing us to understand ourselves more.

Bingo. And look at us now. We send probes out into space, into the far reaches of our solar system. We put satellites into orbit that enable us to use our phones. We send men into orbit to conduct science experiments, all adding a collective understanding of our planet and who we are as people. We don't even have to go very far to learn more and we're always discovering something new. We've learned so much from the space program and that's still only been in our own solar system. It makes us look small in the grand scheme of things, that the universe is really vast and full of possibilities that we don't even understand yet. And when we do break out of our own solar system, our minds are truly going to be boggled.
 
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I've always felt like I'm the only one who's totally confused why we're wasting so many resources on pointless space travel when there's so many problems on earth we could better spend time focusing on, right?

I don't at all believe it's faked, I feel it's just ridiculous to think so, but I almost wish it was. Maybe if we found out we've never even been to the moon, you'll see us stop worrying about racing to Mars in history's greatest and most wasteful manhood measuring contest, lol.

I really wonder what great things could be done if we redirected resources and intelligence towards something useful like ending world hunger and war?
- While global hunger is still a problem for a multitude of reasons (none of which have to do with relatively small space exploration budgets, however), we have dramatically reduced world hunger over the last 60 years that space travel has existed (in spite of a growing population), and in large part directly because of it or by technologies and scientific research and scientists inspired by it. Just in the 25 years since the early-90s alone we've gone from 1-in-5 people being chronically malnourished to 1-in-9. We still have a long way to go, but we are greatly improving the situation.

- How do you think they determine where the soil is best to grow crops, where groundwater is most or least abundant, where desertification is happening, how the weather or climate will affect the harvest, where ocean temperatures that affect plankton and krill growth is happening and the associated creatures that feed off them, where pollution is, etc.? How do you think they communicate that data to people in the most remote parts of the world? How do they use GPS to guide ships, planes, and trucks full of resources to the destinations most in need? How do they predict and help the victims of hurricanes (tens of thousands of lives are saved during hurricane/cyclone/tropical storm/monsoon seasons each year and the resulting starvation and disease that would cause), floods, wildfires, and other disasters? Satellites, a byproduct of space travel.
https://spectrum.ieee.org/aerospace/satellites/stopping-starvation-by-satellite
https://landsat.gsfc.nasa.gov/u-s-uses-landsat-satellite-data-to-fight-hunger-poverty/

- While we're on the subject of satellites, how do you monitor troop movements near borders, naval movements through contested waters, prevent proliferation of nuclear/biological/chemical weapons, determine where mass graves are being dug, monitor nuclear reduction treaty compliance, etc.? Satellites have done more to reduce global warfare than any other technology, and despite outward appearances and anxieties, the world has never been more peaceful than it is right now. Hundreds of millions of people were killed in wars in the opening half of the 20th century before the invention of satellites. They weren't the only factor is reducing warfare, but they were a large part of it.

- NASA's annual budget is minuscule compared to the overall US budget, currently less than half of one percent, and at its height during the run up to the Apollo Program, when the national budget was vastly lower than it is today, reaching a maximum of 4%. You're not going to make a major dent in ending world hunger by taking away the $20 billion dollars we currently spend on NASA, and yet with that money they've done more to combat it than most aid programs do. The space program has also been immensely profitable for the country and the world due to people working directly on it or with spin-off technologies and research, so it actually makes all the money spent on it back plus more money which could then be spent on aid programs.

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- Look at some of the many spin-off technologies from NASA aerospace exploration and how they can help starving, sick, or impoverished people. And don't forget that the globalization of information and education, which satellites greatly enhance, is the best combatant of hunger and war.
https://spinoff.nasa.gov/Spinoff2008/tech_benefits.html

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- Much of satellite and space exploration is being done by private corporations nowadays, not just the government. Nor is our government the only one spending money on space exploration. Europe, China, Japan, Russia, India, Brazil, Israel, and others have also developed space technology to benefit the world.

- When Apollo 13 was in danger, the Soviets stopped broadcasting on the frequencies the astronauts and NASA would need to communicate so there would be no interference. They deployed their fleets to cover ocean territory the spacecraft might splashdown in so they could help us recover the astronauts. At the height of the Cold War the US and Russia developed a compatible docking system so that we could rescue each other's astronauts in space if need-be. This led to the Apollo-Soyuz meet-up. US and Soviet space scientists maintained cordial relations and shared safety information even when their governments didn't, and sent condolences mourning the loss of each other's dead. Competition in space is better than competition for resources or territory on the ground, and can be a contributor to peace.

- Finally, this letter by a NASA scientist addresses your question directly and is still relevant today:

Why Explore Space? A 1970 Letter to a Nun in Africa
Ernst Stuhlinger wrote this letter on May 6, 1970, to Sister Mary Jucunda, a nun who worked among the starving children of Kabwe, Zambia, in Africa, who questioned the value of space exploration. At the time Dr. Stuhlinger was Associate Director for Science at the Marshall Space Flight Center, in Huntsville, Alabama. Touched by Sister Mary’s concern and sincerity, his beliefs about the value of space exploration were expressed in his reply to Sister Mary. It remains, more than four decades later, an eloquent statement of the value of the space exploration endeavor. Born in Germany in 1913, Dr. Stuhlinger received a Ph.D. in physics from the University of Tuebingen in 1936. He was a member of the German rocket development team at Peenemünde, and came to the United States in 1946 to work for the U.S. Army at Fort Bliss, Texas. He moved to Huntsville in 1950 and continued working for the Army at Redstone Arsenal until the Marshall Space Flight Center was formed in 1960. Dr. Stuhlinger received numerous awards and widespread recognition for his research in propulsion. He received the Exceptional Civilian Service Award for his part in launching of Explorer 1, America’s first Earth satellite.

The text of the full letter is in the link below. It's long but well-worth the read:
https://launiusr.wordpress.com/2012/02/08/why-explore-space-a-1970-letter-to-a-nun-in-africa/
 
Thank you kindly for your thoughtful reply @Locutus of Bored, I agree things like satellites are very useful, but I'm talking more about such a huge focus and excitement for things like trying to build a colony on Mars or going further out into space, which I still believe is a very silly waste of resources.
 
Thank you kindly for your thoughtful reply @Locutus of Bored, I agree things like satellites are very useful, but I'm talking more about such a huge focus and excitement for things like trying to build a colony on Mars or going further out into space, which I still believe is a very silly waste of resources.
I know what you meant, Mary, but my point was that those things are all connected. The research that goes into space exploration is applied to launching and maintaining satellites beneficial to Earth science and vice versa. The technology developed for spacecraft, space stations, and exploration to other solar system bodies is used back here on Earth.

In the listing of NASA spin-off technologies I mentioned above, the Viking Mars lander gave rise to improved tires for cars and trucks, which can give developing world drivers greater mobility and allow better delivery of food and medicine and other products via trucks. There were improvements in freeze-drying and preserving food and solar panels and a host of other technologies applicable to helping people on Earth.

You're treating it like a zero-sum game where space exploration is taking something away from malnourished or impoverished people when in fact it generates more money, technology, research, disaster/weather tracking and recovery, and peaceful global interaction to help them. It's a minute fraction of the budget that produces huge returns.

There are much bigger fish to fry like the ridiculously out-of-control defense budget and buying aircraft and tanks their respective military branches don't even want simply to provide make-work projects for local congressional districts. NASA doesn't even rate.

Also, I've been arguing this from a purely practical standpoint so far, but we also need to provide future generations with something to aspire to, and space exploration has played a big role in doing that in the past. Many current scientists and engineers and doctors and others in a wide variety of fields other than space were first inspired by the hope of becoming an astronaut or a rocket scientist. Many scientists working to reduce hunger got their start working on space related subjects.

Also, a lot of the talk of Mars colonization comes from private corporations, not government.
 
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Besides everything mentioned we still got to rescue those slave children mentioned on the Trekbbs awhile back. Can't do that if we don't go back to the moon.

Jason
 
I just don’t know why it matters if it was fake or half fake or whatever. It doesn’t change anything.

If the government lied, is that gonna make a difference? Because chances are if you’re questioning if it actually happened you already probably don’t trust the government.
 
There were improvements in freeze-drying

Astronaut ice-cream! :D

You make a lot of great points I hadn't even thought about. There's a great documentary on Netflix called The Mars Generation that follows 15-18 year olds attending Space Camp, and unlike the title may suggests, it doesn't just focus on the current obsession about Mars, but rather about why it's important to get a younger generation interesting in Space and science in general. At first, I went in thinking "Oh great, another documentary about Mars travel", but came away really impressed with the scope of what it explored.
 
I just don’t know why it matters if it was fake or half fake or whatever. It doesn’t change anything.

If the government lied, is that gonna make a difference? Because chances are if you’re questioning if it actually happened you already probably don’t trust the government.

I think it would change the way people think about space travel. The dream of humans going out into space would be over. Who knows. It could do some good though. Once the idea of escaping to Mars is over maybe people would get more serious about saving this planet but most likely not. Most people assume they will be dead before anything bad happens or Jesus will return to save us.

Jason
 
I think it would change the way people think about space travel. The dream of humans going out into space would be over. Who knows. It could do some good though. Once the idea of escaping to Mars is over maybe people would get more serious about saving this planet but most likely not. Most people assume they will be dead before anything bad happens or Jesus will return to save us.

Jason

That’s true. I do think people are getting more conscious about the environment though. Straws for example.

I don’t know what would happen if that information got out. If people found out, the government would just blame the administration from 60 years ago, who probably aren’t even around anymore. I don’t think too much would change.
 
I just don’t know why it matters if it was fake or half fake or whatever. It doesn’t change anything.

If the government lied, is that gonna make a difference? Because chances are if you’re questioning if it actually happened you already probably don’t trust the government.
Trouble is, it becomes a slippery slope. You don't challenge a claim about the fake moon landing and then they freely create other false claims. The question becomes intention. Are people making the claim just to rile others up, intentional trolling? Or are they failing to believe reason and logic, instead really believing the false claim? There are very talented deceivers out there who take great joy in fooling others. That's part of why they go to so much trouble to create very convincing false claims. The other reasons are a) attention, b) notoriety, and c) potential money from ad revenue on view count. Unfortunately, people fall for them... and push on the conspiracies, seducing more gullible people. The conspiracy creators don't quite fathom just how damaging their actions really are.
 
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