Spoilers Does anyone else think the Titan-A was... (SPOILER)

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  1. Timofnine

    Timofnine Saintly henchman of Santa Premium Member

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    If we want more Star Trek like Picard season 3 and Strange New Worlds (and other high quality television shows and movies) then we need to increase awareness of the issue so that high quality productions such as these can continue to be made in the future. It is only fair that every individual is entitled to receive equitable compensation for their work, especially the writers who’s creativity is at the very core of the shows that they write which *we* love as an audience, being consumers of television and movie media. The impact of strikes can be far reaching with a ‘butterfly effect’ that affects the livelihoods of *many* individuals. I have nothing but support for the WGA cause, and I hopefully have demonstrated this previously.

    I did try to make my mini Riker/Janeway fan-fic funny though.
     
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  2. Richard S. Ta

    Richard S. Ta Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    So, to get this straight, you're raising awareness of the writers strike by taking the piss on a forum that's used by a fraction of a fraction of a fraction of the world population?

    I'm sure the WGA are composing their heartfelt letter of thanks as we speak.
     
  3. Lord Garth

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    Every writer has a different writing style. After having listened to enough of Terry Matalas' insights, I can piece together how he thinks. It's not a complete picture, but it's a starting point.

    After I've watched The 12 Monkeys, if the pattern still holds, I'll know for absolute sure.

    I enjoyed PIC Season 3 for what it is (TNG as a TOS Movie), but no. I don't want more of that. I like it as a One Time Thing, and that's as far as it goes. Strange New Worlds is okay but I haven't re-watched any of it; and it if ended tomorrow, I wouldn't care.

    Sorry to burst your sarcastic bubble.

    EDITED TO ADD: And rejecting a Star Trek series because the ship was called the Titan sounds preposterous. Deep Space Nine, Voyager, and Discovery would all like a word. So would Lower Decks and Prodigy, if you want to throw those in. Throw in Picard too, right up until the next-to-last episode. Plus Starfleet Academy coming soon to a streamer near you. There are now more Star Trek series without the Enterprise as the Hero Ship than there are with.

    And if you think Terry Matalas is nothing more than a professional fanfic writer, let's go with that for the sake of argument. Which one sounds more fanfic-y to you? Captain Seven of the Nine of the Titan, or Captain Seven of Nine of the Enterprise? We both know the answer to that one, even if you won't say it. It's the Enterprise.
     
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  4. Timofnine

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    BTW, in my fan-fic above I wanted the Admiral to be Shelby, so that character dynamics and tensions between Riker and her could be continued in regards to the renaming of the Titan. There is also Shelby’s knowledge of Riker’s yearning to command the Enterprise, and personal conflict could result in Shelby wanting to ‘cancel’ Titan’s legacy in order to get at Riker. Unfortunately, Terry Matalas killed Shelby off so I had to use Janeway instead which gives it a different spin. I was also tempted to go with Nechayev, but I think that she may be long retired now.
     
  5. MNM

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    Titan has near zero legacy on screen and only a marginally larger one if you include novels etc. It’s not a sacred cow that can’t be touched in my opinion.

    Only problem I had with it was, like just about every Picard Federation ship, it was under lit and in near darkness.
     
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  6. Citiprime

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    One way of looking at the choice of the Titan is that it fits the overall theme of season 3 of returning to past things after the new stuff utterly fails. The Neo-Constitution Class is a new ship class rooted in a rememberance of the past. The theme, that "the past matters," which is what Picard states the Enterprise-D is proof of as they shut her down to rest at the Fleet Museum, is something that's repeated again and again.

    It's true for all of the characters too. For the TNG characters, they've become distant from their past selves and come to realize what they've lost over the course of the season after re-finding each other. The theme of the past mattering is even true for Vadic and the Borg Queen.

    After "No Win Scenario," I did see some comments online that wondered whether the Riker storyline (of him going from a dour outlook on life to being able to feel the beauty of the universe again), as well as the scene of him apologizing to Troi, might be metacommentary from the writers and producers acknowledging a shift in tone and a course correction for the series.

    TROI: You haven't said anything as lovely as that in a very long time.

    RIKER: I know. And that's on me. And I'm sorry. I'm gonna fix it. With you.
     
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  7. vulcancicada

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    I hate to be the weird outlier again but I loved the dark titan, it was my kind of workplace :lol:

    They should not have gone for the sappy rename, regardless of what the ship looks like, it was just silly unless Riker or Picard were going to captain it. The only reason renaming the Sao Paulo was okay in my book was because it was wartime, the manner in which the ship got destroyed, it was intended to be the replacement for the Defiant, Sisko was its captain and it clearly meant so much to him to call it the Defiant (suits his personality). I also agree with others, you don't need an 'Enterprise' for it to be Trek.
     
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  8. Tuskin38

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    No it doesn't.

    No it was always the intent to rename the ship. It was said by Terry that at one point they considered naming it Picard during writing, but decided on Enterprise instead.
     
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  9. CrockAlley

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    I think an Enterprise can be anything. Get wild and give it a different saucer/nacelle configuration. We don't have to be so strict and narrow. Top of the line, or worst ship in the fleet, doesn't matter. It's just a name. Having a small, less state-of-the-art Enterprise doesn't diminish the accomplishments of the crews of past Enterprises.

    Just because something has been true in the past (each Enterprise is bigger, each is top of the line), doesn't mean is must continue to be so. There is room for broader possibilities.
     
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  10. Campe

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    Just because we don’t see it, doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist. It had enough in universe legacy to get an -A suffix. (Even if the refit thing was dumb.) The crew of the Titan-A played a significant part in saving Starfleet in this incident. Seems like there’s some legacy there to me. Instead, Matalas has to do the asinine fanfic thing and rename her the Enterprise because nostalgia, apparently, rules.

    In other words, Enterprise doesn’t have to be the only hero ship out there.
     
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  11. Tuskin38

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    This season showed that.
     
  12. fireproof78

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    Indeed, and such possibilities could be new or even strange.
     
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  13. Campe

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    Sure. Then they decided to make that not the Enterprise hero ship the Enterprise.
     
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  14. Timofnine

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    At the end of the day, I am just happy that Seven of Nine is the Captain of the Enterprise G like I wanted. Terry must have wanted it too. :shrug:

    If they do not start making this new show soon, I’m going to spoof fan-fic-it instead. I’m going to see the new Guardian of the Galaxy movie on Monday, I may get some ideas from that.

    They could always build a new Titan anyway if they wanted to, but what would have been the point in renaming the previous Titan as Enterprise only to christen another ship with the original name Titan yet again? You cannot just swap starship names around all willy-nilly. They may just as well have renamed the potential new Titan ‘Enterprise’ instead of the old Constitution III ship, so that the 1701 range can have a swanky new top of the range ship assigned to it again fresh off the production line of the San Francisco Yards or maybe even the new Emirates or Khartoum Yards? I have grown to adore the Constitution III design though, I just would quite simply have preferred for the ship to be a little bigger and less angular.

    Paradoxically, the need (if there is indeed the need) for a new Titan only arose subsequent to the renaming, for it was not as though the original Titan had been destroyed…. It was ‘absorbed’ and ‘rebranded’. :shrug:
     
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  15. Lord Garth

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    I would've personally preferred if the Titan-A stayed the Titan-A and they'd have given Seven of Nine a brand-new Galaxy II Class Enterprise-G for Legacy, to keep everything on TNG terms.
     
  16. Ithekro

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    Perhaps like the old USS Titan under Captain Saavik, Starfleet plans to swap who the fleet flagship is. Renaming the smaller Constitution III-class Titan-A to USS Enterprise-G to honor the crew of the Titan-A and the Enterprise-D in this recent Borg incident, but also planning in building a new USS Titan-B to be the new fleet flagship, while Enterprise does exploration stuff instead. After that they will sit down and design a proper follow up to the prematurely decommissioned USS Enterprise-F and in probably twenty years, the new USS Enterprise-H will reclaim the mantle of Flagship of the Federation from USS Titan-B.
     
  17. Tiberius Jim

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    I wish that A. it had been the Enterprise-E being decommissioned, with a quick scene of the Odyssey-class being revealed as the latest and greatest in Starfleet and B. the last scene had played out with Jack still being assigned to the Titan but parked right next to it is, as Jack reveals to Picard, the Odyssey class Enterprise-F, commissioned in honor of him and his crew. Titan retains its legacy, we get to see the E-E one more time and the Enterprise is once again the pride of the fleet.
     
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  18. Richard S. Ta

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    The Titan has no legacy.
     
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  19. The Wormhole

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    That sounds like an even worse way to treat the Titan A's crew. "Hey y'all just helped save the Federation. So as a reward, we're renaming the Titan the Enterprise G. But you guys aren't going to be the flagship, that honor is going to the new Titan we're building, which will be crewed by a bunch of people who had no part in the recent heroics. Thanks for your service!"
     
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  20. valkyrie013

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    If it was the Enterprise D crew that was going to take command of the G then sure. But no one on board the titan has anything to do with an enterprise .. So why rename a ship that saved the planet something else that means nothing to the current crew?
    Titan has been the titan for years .. Titan strong etc.

    Also.. There were 13 Oddesy class ships in that fleet.. Just rename one of them?

    Im sure the old Enterprise F captain (not sheby) was thinking he or she would move on to the G.. But no give it to a neophyte captain.

    But yeah... A new Galaxy class two named USS Jean Luc Picard would make more since
     
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