No equivalence. You can treat what they did as akin to investigative journalism.
Same result. No different than what Huffington Post or The Young Turks do 24/7/365 on anyone they consider their ideological opposite--but if the investigation is warranted, then have at it, as it needs to be exposed. especially when the subject's actions/beliefs stem from a dangerous place.
I get it. You've been in the tank for him from day 1. Not everyone feels that way, though and the sooner you accept that, the earlier we'll stop going around in circles.
Yep. Its "all Marvel, all day, and it must survive, so all that other stuff is not too important."
And that is topic drift. If we keep going down that road this thread will be more pages than Axanar with no end in sight.
Truth.
I see a problem with "he made some jokes I didn't like and consequently him and anyone who speaks in his defense in any capacity is a terrible, terrible person".
I see a problem with anyone passing off what Gunn did as "jokes" when no rational, moral person would rape and pedophilia as a source for humor by any stretch of the imagination.
I'm not seeing how it is really, the topic of the thread is Gunn's firing, which was clearly tied into politically motivated maneuvering of the sort which is entirely in line with the current political context. I don't see how exploring that context is a drift when it's fundamental to the issue being discussed.
@Awesome Possum is totally correct in saying there's really no equivalence between the current mainstream iterations of right and left in the US, only one of them is showing signs of extremism and as a transgender woman she has every right to feel threatened. This is about more than her beliefs, it's about her future.
...which was and remains topic drift in a thread where the act, motives and consequences of speech was the subject (the very reason Gunn was fired), hence the legitimate references to Trump, Joy Reid, Kevin Hart, Roseanne and others who made statements and/or posts considered controversial/intolerable, who--by the way--are all over the social/political/ideological map, so there's not the kind of politicized targeting employed by certain members in this thread. Another member trying to shift this very specific topic into yet another "my rights are.." argument is frankly self-serving (here), detracts from the issues, as it would be if you (for example) tried to conflate this into a debate about your interest in / imagined right to introduce your kids to recreational drug use under the idea that its good for their social development, or
I wanted to discuss the Sessions Justice Department's look into way of labeling even more real black activism groups as "black identity extremists" (read: terrorists and a fast track to legal abuses / prison that would threaten members of
my family).
The point being if one really has a desire to discuss that (or anything so focused), then start another thread, where every one of the member's theories/fears/projections can be explored with no sideline topics watering down her message--which is what's happening here.
Those jokes go beyond being "disliked" though, imagine the conversation we'd be having if they had been about homophobic or racist assaults, imagine if they'd gone from "I want to do X, Y, Z" to "I want to batter and maim.....".
Thank you.
