My, what a broad brush you have, grandma.
Disney fires James Gunn from "Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3"
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Too much bullshit to be believed. There was a culture of knowledge and acceptance of all things Harvey Weinstein in the entertainment business (many of "his own people", as you put it)--no one said a thing, so it took an outside agent--individuals, along with The New Yorker and The New York Times to expose him. If not for their work, Weinstein would still be in the seat of power, doing what too many of his employees, directors, writers, producers, actors and friends in the entertainment business knew he was doing, without as much as a raised eyebrow. That does not sound like morally strong liberals jumping in to stop/expose one their own, considering how many long years Weinstein was assaulting women.
I'll remember that the next time I hear someone make "joke" about hanging part of my racial group from a tree despite the fact the one making the "joke" may not have committed the act, so he had no real victims. Nope..nothing to get upset about there, or with Gunn's interests/actions about abused and/or destroyed classes of people who he's basing his "humor" on.
...and Democrats did not care about over a decade of rape and other sexual allegations against Bill Clinton when he won the party's nomination, and ultimately two terms as president, either (and ignored his continued acts while serving as president). Adding insult to assault, since he left office, he's been consistently held up as a National Treasure by too many among the liberal social and political culture. Nevermind all of that rape business.
Its too easy to quote such astoundingly unsubstantiated, nonsensical statements like the one above and let it do all of the work..
You sound like those who claimed to be so "bothered" by Mel Gibson's history of anti-Semitic rants, yet were heavy-of-heart at the idea of his film career--a freaking film career--possibly being threatened in any way.
Incredible.
Gunn will never do that--his behavior is not one born of accountability, but allowing others (like Bautista) to act as his defense. He would never risk facing even one honest, public question about his motives.interest in rape and pedophilia "jokes", the party, etc., as he knows there's no excuse. He's just waiting for the next contract from yet another blinders-on studio.
Honestly, I have a feeling going out and speaking more about this whole situation would probably just end up doing more harm than good. Whatever he says, no matter how harmless or innocent, the people who went after him are going find a way to use it against him. Just sitting back and waiting for the storm to blow over is the best thing he could do right now.
His behavior IS one of accountability. He apologized the FIRST time for the behavior and EXPLAINED his motives for making the jokes. AND, most importantly, STOPPED MAKING THE JOKES. The second time it became an issue, he ACCEPTED responsibility for making the jokes and understood why Disney was firing him. He hasn't mounted a campaign to get his job back. He hasn't blamed ambien. He hasn't doubled down, unlike other celebrities.
So. Again, I ask you: do you believe people can change? Or do you believe once wrong always wrong? In your moral universe, can people change for the better? Or is this some sort of moral crusade where it only ends with... I don't know... What would satisfy your blood lust?
Four more years of Trump?
If Gunn was truly concerned about coming off as a changed individual instead of being evasive by not addressing the here and now controversy, he would have stepped up, instead of allowing the conversation to be run by everyone else--which includes those who added to the negativity, like his loyal buddy Bautista, cursing people out on his behalf. He would have asked those who support him to allow him to speak for himself, instead of.. I don't know...entertaining the idea of going to a meeting about his position at Disney or any other studio. Priorities.
If the guy wants to work in Hollywood he has to deal with being a public figure. Other than Stanley Kubrick most directors are expected to have some sort of public exposure. Even Mel Gibson started going back onto the talk-show circuit again. He did it to promote Hacksaw Ridge. Sooner or later the guy has to show up again and he'll have to be prepared to answer some questions whether he likes it or not.
But... he did speak for himself. He put out a statement. Should he be silencing Dave? Is that fair to Dave? And do you feel Gunn told Bautista to say what he did?
And how has he been evasive? Do you have an example?
And when Disney calls, you go. Everyone knew what the end would be.
I didn't say that he should never appear in public again, I just said that he should wait until things calm down.
Would you say such things in defense of, oh, Robert Lasseter? How about Garrison Keillor? Maybe fellow liberal, Al Franken? Wasn't he sort of railroaded over something relatively minor in comparison to, let's say, Spacey? Oh, I get it. You're not allowed to differentiate levels of harassment otherwise you'll wind up like Matt Damon, guilty of wrong-think. You see what I mean? Outrage and the public holding an infinite boycott-grudge is a very selective thing.
So if you want to promote forgiveness, then let it be for more than just James Gunn.
I have been reading through most of the comments and I'm not interested in getting into the debate on this. But it is very possible that Gunn is under some kind of gag order on this. It seems like he still gets paid for this film and he might not be able to speak as long as he is under contract.
Then what's Bautista's excuse? He's under contract too but he's mouthing off constantly.
It would be a PR disaster even bigger than the current one if Disney did that.
My, what a broad brush you have, grandma.
While I don't believe that all conservatives should be painted with so broad a brush, the fact of the matter is that those are the kind of people out front in the spotlight of conservative US politics.
If you don't want to be seen in such a light, you need to take back your party from the lunatic fringe.
"Mouthing off"?
Sorry, not a member. When you assume ...
Sorry, not a member. When you assume ...
You aren't a conservative?
Not a Republican.
Call me when Lassester, Keillor and Spacey have publicly apologized for their actions, something at least Gunn has done. Call me when it’s clear they recognize their behavior was wrong and they have changed, like Gunn has done.
And, no, I don’t really think Franken was railroaded. Maybe he should’ve let a hearing play out, I don’t know. But the juvenile jokes were pretty sad for a grown man to do. But, I’m willing to forgive him if, again, he accepts responsibility and changes.
And Damon... oh... poor guy. It must be tough being rich and entitled.
So, no. I don’t know what you mean.
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