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Disney fires James Gunn from "Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3"

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He's already getting offers, WB really wants him. This won't hurt his career, it'll only hurt the Guardians films since he was so much of why those movies worked so well. He'll end up doing more films, probably some DC ones. Gunn has mentioned wanting to do a Metal Men movie.

Now if only he can get past the suits at WB's constant insistence on fucking with the DCEU movies, becuase I've noticed that seems to be where the wheels keep falling off.
 
"the only people getting upset about these comments"

You have no way of proving such generalizations, just like in the other thread you can't prove that "bots" are voting down the Star Wars Resistance trailer. I'm trying not to make this post read like an ad hominem, but this kind of language on your part is part and parcel of what perpetuates the political polarization. That was what I was trying to say by "it takes two to tango".

The hard left and the hard right are sort of locked together in a codependent embrace. They feed off the sense that they are holy warriors for their cause. They would lose their sense of purpose if they didn't have their precious hate of the other side, which is why so much of the language is caricature/strawmanning/boogeymanning.
I think the biggest problem is that both sides have been so absolutely extreme in their beliefs that there is no pretty much no way they can ever get along.
 
I think the biggest problem is that both sides have been so absolutely extreme in their beliefs that there is no pretty much no way they can ever get along.

I think this is kind of true but I think one issue nobody talks about is just how literal people take other people's words nowdays. We forget people use hyperbole and exaggerate. Irony and or a misused word in the wrong place or the simply issue that people can't articulate their feelings in words creates conflict. It's one of the reasons I made that thread a few years ago about how words shouldn't matter. I think I lot of context in people's views get lost in translation. I think that is true in real life as well and ten times more a problem on the internet.Of course I know you can be tricked as well by having someone use nice sounding words to do bad things but isn't it better to trust and take the risks of being tricked than being cynical and never trusting? I am pretty cynical about many things I freaking hate it. Why would anyone want to embrace it?

Jason
 
I don’t know, one extreme wants to give people rights and healthcare and the other wants certain people to no longer exist.
Oh, I completely agree with you there, I was just trying to keep things a bit more neutral this time.
I find the right's attitudes toward gays, women, and minorities completely baffling.
 
Yes, you've always been a champion of justice, empathy and decency. This certainly isn't as transparent as oxygen.

Said the member who flies into every thread with a completely self-interested, politicized flame campaign, ever shaking the fist of "how much i hate (Fill in the political "enemy" of the moment)" as in the conspiracy BS littering this thread. Typically disgusting.

What victims? Do Hypothetical punchlines count as victims? Are we suppose to also feel bad for all those red shirts who have died over the years on Trek as well?

Jason

Thank you for calling attention to how you see fit to make light of a serious situation. After all, you have spent pages being concerned with the future of a freaking movie series than anything even surrounding the specifics of Gunn's actions/interest.

Self defeating in the extreme.

You don't see the potential problem with this line of inquiry?

Nope. Completely missed it.
 
"the only people getting upset about these comments"

You have no way of proving such generalizations, just like in the other thread you can't prove that "bots" are voting down the Star Wars Resistance trailer. I'm trying not to make this post read like an ad hominem, but this kind of language on your part is part and parcel of what perpetuates the political polarization. That was what I was trying to say by "it takes two to tango".

Well said.

The hard left and the hard right are sort of locked together in a codependent embrace. They feed off the sense that they are holy warriors for their cause. They would lose their sense of purpose if they didn't have their precious hate of the other side, which is why so much of the language is caricature/strawmanning/boogeymanning.

The difference here is unlike certain usual suspects in this thread who clearly live to hate others who "dare" to not march to their propaganda, others have called out the guilty from both ideological sides of the "speech and consequences" controversy, yet the usual suspects cannot be bothered with pointing this out, as it is now and forever "its not us, its them". Self serving behavior at its worst.
 
Said the member who flies into every thread with a completely self-interested, politicized flame campaign, ever shaking the fist of "how much i hate (Fill in the political "enemy" of the moment)" as in the conspiracy BS littering this thread. Typically disgusting.



Thank you for calling attention to how you see fit to make light of a serious situation. After all, you have spent pages being concerned with the future of a freaking movie series than anything even surrounding the specifics of Gunn's actions/interest.

Self defeating in the extreme.



Nope. Completely missed it.

Come on dude. Who are you trying to impress? Are you trying to win the virtual singling award or something? I respect that your against pedophiles. I think everyone here is against them as well but you haven't made the case that a joke is as bad as real pedophile behavior. You also haven't accounted for the fact that people deal with uncomfortable subject matter in different ways. Humor and dark humor is often away to deal with serious issues in people's minds. The humor can take some of the rawness off it. Did you not read the link to the story where his friend talked about Gunn's own past with pedophilia but I would argue anyone can feel that way about difficult issue's or problems in your life. Humor can help with this stuff. I would point to the movie "Patch Adams" but I think I would rather uses examples were the jokes are funny.

Jason
 
Did you not read the link to the story where his friend talked about Gunn's own past with pedophilia...

It's not for you or me to psychoanalyze the guy.

That letter the cast wrote in his defense and the link you shared just make him look like a wimp who won't stand up for himself.

He comes across right now like he's hiding himself away, and that just makes it seem like he's in the same leagues as a #MeToo casualty.

If Gunn wants forgiveness he should do more than issue that single written statement and do a thorough on-camera interview, like on 60-minutes or 20/20.
 
Oh, I completely agree with you there, I was just trying to keep things a bit more neutral this time.
I find the right's attitudes toward gays, women, and minorities completely baffling.
It’s hard for me to be neutral since my rights are being attacked.

If everyone adopted your us-vs-them mentality the only recourse would be to split the US into red and blue states.
Or the right can learn to live with everyone else. I’m not the one trying to write laws to punish certain groups for existing. I just want to be able to live. But I guess that’s too extreme for you.

Said the member who flies into every thread with a completely self-interested, politicized flame campaign, ever shaking the fist of "how much i hate (Fill in the political "enemy" of the moment)" as in the conspiracy BS littering this thread. Typically disgusting.
Go find a mirror.
 
It's not for you or me to psychoanalyze the guy.

That letter the cast wrote in his defense and the link you shared just make him look like a wimp who won't stand up for himself.

He comes across right now like he's hiding himself away, and that just makes it seem like he's in the same leagues as a #MeToo casualty.

If Gunn wants forgiveness he should do more than issue that single written statement and do a thorough on-camera interview, like on 60-minutes or 20/20.

Why does the way someone apologize matter? Their is no need to make him jump through hoops just because his response isn't perfect with everyone because no matter what he does or did it for many it would still not matter. Then it would be that he didn't say the right words on his 60-minute interview or he laughs at something in the interview which seems disrespectful. Sometimes it doesn't matter what you do because people just won't forgive.

Jason
 
Why does the way someone apologize matter?

It matters to me to have him demonstrate some courage to get in front of a camera rather than to sit behind a keyboard and craft a carefully scripted apology and then retreat to some secret compound while his supporters fight for him by proxy. But hey, I guess I'm weird that way.
 
It matters to me to have him demonstrate some courage to get in front of a camera rather than to sit behind a keyboard and craft a carefully scripted apology and then retreat to some secret compound while his supporters fight for him by proxy. But hey, I guess I'm weird that way.

But aren't we talking about him sitting behind a keyboard? Weren't the trolls that brought him down doing the same? He doesn't owe us anything. He hasn't hurt us in anyway other than maybe being offended at his jokes which were all in the past. If anything people owe him a apology for getting him fired and making people think he is really a pedophile in real life. What's a worst "crime?" A offensive joke or loosing your job and having who knows how many people you think your a pedophile because people don't understand dark,edgy humor despite the concept being around just forever it seems. People can not be this obtuse when it comes to jokes and how they work.

Jason
 
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