Spoilers Discovery 1x14: "The War Without, The War WIthin" Preview

[eschaton]

Do we know that the ISSD actually made it into the PU? I certainly don't remember it being referenced on-screen, so TBF I don't think that failing to reference Kill et al. would be a writers' goof at all.

Maybe they ended up in that white universe with black stars where everyone ages backwards.

 

[Krandor]

Do we know that the ISSD actually made it into the PU? I certainly don't remember it being referenced on-screen, so TBF I don't think that failing to reference Kill et al. would be a writers' goof at all.

ISSD has to be somewhere.

 

[Longinus]

I don't. With a reset when new viewers come in people are just going to tell them "skip season 1 since it never actually happens and start with season 2"

You say that like it would be a bad thing. This season has been pretty terrible.

 

[ITDUDE]

It was stated on screen as a hypothesis that USS Discovery jumped into MU it perhaps switched places with ISS Discovery. But I don't buy it. Just because it was stated on screen I no longer believe it was foreshadowing anything. We also had a tribble on board at same time as a klingon spy. If that gun didn't fire, I doubt anything stated before is a foreshadow of anything to come.

 

[Tuskin38]

I wouldn't say dead giveaway yet, but I'm wondering whether, concerning Deadlock, we should focus on the two Voyagers or Harry Kim. Resurrection gives us someone from the Mirror Universe impersonating their Prime counterparts for some agenda or perhaps someone getting tempted by the prospect of remaining here. As for Space Seed, my gut is reminding me of Marla McGivers and her relationship with Khan.

Good point.

 

[ITDUDE]

ISSD has to be somewhere.

I don't know if it does. Of all the USS Discovery crew, most of their MU counterparts were serving on ISS Cheron or ISS Shenzhou. The only one who is actually on ISS Discovery is Captain Killy, and we did get to see her in action as Tilly masquarading as Killy. So what exactly does ISS Discovery have to offer to us anyway?

 

[Nyotarules]

And here's your spoiler scene:

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So Captain Killy has been a naughty girl!

 

[Nyotarules]

I think that scene sets up quite clearly that they're making sure the crew of the Discovery isn't from the MU...

And 10 years later Kirk and co still had not heard of the MU? Its the Borg thing all over again

 

[picardjean-luc]

So Captain Killy has been a naughty girl!

She's a Captain from the Mirror Universe. What do you expect her to do in the PU other than Killying her way out

 

[Nerys Myk]

And 10 years later Kirk and co still had not heard of the MU? Its the Borg thing all over again

Is there a reason he should?

 

[Tim Thomason]

And 10 years later Kirk and co still had not heard of the MU? Its the Borg thing all over again

They're in an apparently devastating war with the Klingons. The admiralty might not want to advertise the fact that one of their ships has apparently gone rogue, especially with Klingon spies lurking about. And, I'm guessing that the whole alternate universe discovery will be classified for some reason.

Kirk is too busy obsessing over clouds to keep up with current events.

 

[Turd Ferguson]

I don't know if it does. Of all the USS Discovery crew, most of their MU counterparts were serving on ISS Cheron or ISS Shenzhou. The only one who is actually on ISS Discovery is Captain Killy, and we did get to see her in action as Tilly masquarading as Killy. So what exactly does ISS Discovery have to offer to us anyway?

Obviously nothing of use, as even with its presence in the Prime Universe Alpha Quadrant, the Federation still lost the war. (Perhaps the I.S.S. Discovery got blown up and the only survivors were Captain Killy and Prime Lorca, who was serving as toilet cleaning specialist )

 

[Nerys Myk]

Captain Killy is still in the MU and racing to Earth to claim the crown.

 

[CJCade]

I can't help but think it's a multi-verse... not just MU and PU. Maybe Stamets was worried about what the universe would be like if they didn't get back with the cloaking intel and ended up taking them to a universe where that was a reality (although nine months in the future to boot). Doubtful but it would be sad to just see two universes with all the possibilities out there.

 

[Tuskin38]

And, I'm guessing that the whole alternate universe discovery will be classified for some reason.

I'm assuming it will be classified with the Spore Drive.

 

[Nerys Myk]

I'm assuming it will be classified with the Spore Drive.

And the Androids

 

[Cyrus]

And the Androids

And the Borg and Ferengi.

 

[Tim Thomason]

And the Borg and Ferengi.

"CLASSIFY EVERYTHING!"
"Yes, sir, Admiral Nero"

 

[Xerxus]

Might also be a reference to Burnham's relationship with evil Pippa. Maybe it's referring to Burnham's internal conflict over the matter or to Georgiou not being entirely evil. My suspicion is that Georgiou will seek Burnham's sympathies, then Burnham will have to kill her -- the very image of the beloved mentor she failed! -- to redeem herself and save everyone.

I think The War Within probably refers to the debate over whether or not the Federation should use unethical Terran tactics in order to win.

You know, the classic 'this makes us no better than our enemy', or 'the price of victory is our soul'.

 

[Nyotarules]

Is there a reason he should?

How is Starfleet going to keep the Discovery crew quiet? Have them 'disappear' in the heat of war? Very convenient.