Spoilers Did Picard finally ''right the ship'' with Picard season 3?

I remember lurking here in 2020, and there was a poster with lots of charts...

That's from the More in Common / Political Tribes report. Basically a way of avoiding a buzz word that means different things to different people while also acknowledging there was a political element to the reception of the prior season by some. And 92% of the population aren't MAGA types so I'm trying to touch on it in a quick but nuanced way.

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I'm not saying the YouTubers alone could triple the audience. Just that there was an initial audience drop off during season 1, and word of mouth from influencers with millions of subs could help increase the ratings and contribute to getting some of these people back. And if the audience increases, maybe we get more Star Trek set after TNG/DS9/VGR.

It could also be the planted spin off at the end of PICARD season 3.

Only three episodes of season 2 were released in advance. Here 6-10 were. People that worked on both season 2 and season 3 seem far more confident in this season as well.

But look, this is all hypothetical speculation. At the end of the day I'm really interesting in seeing whatever that planted spin off is, much like people wanted to see a Pike spin off in 2019.

 

So not interested in the show itself but only the future of the franchise?

 

Oh, I’m speaking of a very specific poster, who posted a lot of charts and graphs, and talked an awful lot about Canadian ratings.

I don’t have the time or inclination to look up that report. Is this a global look or simply the United States? Or Canada? If you’re going to quote these things, need to be specific or at least provide a link. You do it with all of your YT “pundits” so why not here? Thanks.

Again, we’re a tenth of the way through this. Let’s wait for those Canadian ratings to see how much of a drop off there is with episode 2, okay?

 

Back in the 1950s, doctors recommended Camel cigarettes. They were fresh, they were healthy. Clearly our parents and grandparents should've listened to these professionals.

 

Nu Trek has been doing perfectly fine without any of these people. We're five series deep with more on the way. A 25th century series will happen regardless of whether any of these fans jump onboard or not.

 

We have two 24th century shows: Lower Decks and Prodigy.

 

Oh, I'm very much interested in PICARD season 3. I haven't been this excited for a season of anything currently airing since at least THE AMERICANS, and maybe not since the final season of BSG. But I guess I already kinda know I'll like this one, just not sure yet on the degree between great and awesomeness.

Ah gotcha...

Ok here's the report on the US political typology and here for the UK. Could make for an interesting thread in TNZ over where the fanbase here falls.

I'm guardingly optimistic the season could actually increase viewership episode to episode, but yeah that is all speculation at this point.

True, but there would be a difference between (a live action) one run by Michael Chabon and one by Terry Matalas.

 

My understanding is both Chabon and Matalas have moved on to new things.

And thank you for posting those surveys. I will look at them when I have a free moment. I’m curious to see if the surveyors own political bias come into play here.

 

Not sure how that relates to how the opinion of Youtubers? Matalas is the golden child right now, but it may not necessarily be so the next time he takes the helm.

If anything Season 3 has shown how fickle the majority of haters are. All you need to do is throw in ships they like the look of, and some lcars displays and apparently star trek is back.

 

I'm certainly more interested in this season than in the previous ones. Picard is a great character, but he was not the only one I cared about from TNG. The first episode wasn't bad but I can't judge a season off just that.

 

I'll take your word for it.

Damn straight. The trust I have in the majority is minimal.

 

Oh, I don’t know. One or two decisions that they don’t agree with could cause huge tectonic shifts in that part of fandom. That’s how fickle they are. Golden child, second coming, whatever, it’s all on a pin right now.

 

Last I heard, Chabon was adapting a novel for Showtime in 2020, but there hasn't been any coverage since except for his Scott Rudin apology letter. Matalas has a pilot with Disney, but is still under an overall deal with CBS. He could come back and apparently is open to doing more Star Trek.

Enjoy. FWIW, Open Society Foundation funded it.

I like how he got his starting out in the industry as a PA on the franchise. Plus he is kinda Brannon Braga's protégé, and has a massive massive enthusiasm for Star Trek in general.

I guess for me it's a good sign that if the season is "getting it" with the small stuff, that's a good sign for the greater stuff down the line, let alone the canon minefield. And there is a big segment of the fanbase really into the ships and designs in and of itself.

 

Alex Kurtzman CO-WROTE Star Trek '09 and Into Darkness.

It's not uncommon for producers to work on several projects at once (look at Jerry Bruckheimer).

I don't watch YouTube reviews. I don't listen to podcasts. I don't watch webinars.

I don't want to have to sit through forty-five minutes of someone banging their gums in order for them to get to the point!

Nothing screams, "I'm a self-important pr#ck!" more than someone with a podcast. (Explain to me why I should care about what you have to say.)

 

Holy hell, just stop right there. Like I had to explain to our "friend" that loved posting the charts showing the Canadian ratings is that that information is literally meaningless. Those ratings are the broadcast night ratings on CTV Sci-Fi Channel, but do not reflect the fact that the episodes are available on the Canadian streaming service Crave over twelve hours before they air on CTV Sci-Fi. The only thing the decreasing numbers over the course of the season really means is that as the season progressed, more people decided to watch the episodes on Crave rather than wait until they aired on CTV Sci-Fi.

But of course, that doesn't fit the "Star Trek is Failing and Kurtzman will be fired" narrative YouTubers enjoy peddling so much.

 

Exactly why I decided not to.

 

Season 1 was mediocre. Season 2 was the worst season of Star Trek I have ever seen. So the bar for me is set very low. With a different showrunner in charge and all of the TNG crew coming back for this season, I do have higher hopes though.
It's been a promising start, but then again S2 had one of the best opening episodes I've seen for a season before it plummeted into utter chaos as the season wore on. So will remain cautiously optimistic.

 

Not only that, but like I’ve said: Trek fans are not a monolith. We have differing opinions about what makes Trek special to us. Those who buy the line of “only Terry Trek is good, real nuTrek” have the right to their own opinions.

But they’re not the only ones who do. A lot of this conversation around what makes Trek Trek is all down to an opinion. Why?

Everyone say it with me now: Star Trek is different things to different people.