Spoilers Did Picard finally ''right the ship'' with Picard season 3?

[James Cole]

Disco went to Iceland.

I was arguing more along the lines of setting an entire miniseries on an exotic planet, and doing that by filming on location for the duration, since the poster was wanting more variety outside Starfleet in the Star Trek universe.

It's only one episode.

It's been enough for YouTube content creators that have ripped seasons 1 and 2 to shreds to put up positive reviews that together have garnered over a million views just a few days after the airing of the episode. Imagine if season 3 triples (or more...) the viewership of season 2.

 

[Mudd]

Imagine if season 3 triples (or more...) the viewership of season 2.

Imagine if the Moon falls out of the sky.

 

[James Cole]

Imagine if the Moon falls out of the sky.

I mean, that one will probably happen in several billion years... just not in the next three months

I'd much rather bet on season 3 getting good metrics

 

[Mudd]

I'd much rather bet on season 3 getting good metrics

Show your work.

 

[fireproof78]

Imagine if season 3 triples (or more...) the viewership of season 2.

Has no bearing on my view.

 

[Campe]

It's been enough for YouTube content creators that have ripped seasons 1 and 2 to shreds to put up positive reviews that together have garnered over a million views just a few days after the airing of the episode.

You know, at the end of the day, YouTube content creators are just people with opinions. I’ll admit my opinion has softened on these people over the past few years but man, it still amazes me the stock that some people put into them.

Isn’t it more important whether YOU enjoy the show or not?

 

[TedShatner10]

You know, at the end of the day, YouTube content creators are just people with opinions. I’ll admit my opinion has softened on these people over the past few years but man, it still amazes me the stock that some people put into them.

Isn’t it more important whether YOU enjoy the show or not?

They're ultimately just glorified talk forum shitposters with more production values and more openly present/compromise themselves (but can be more entertaining if a movie or TV show is especially bad).

But I can understand folks dunking on Season 2 (not Season 1 - again Picard are very much like the JJ Trek films, with Season 3 being ST: Beyond).

 

[James Cole]

Show your work.

Ok, I'll try and offer a quick overview now that I've set the timer for 20 minutes then am going back to real life.

It has been established through Canadian ratings data that the first season of PICARD lost over half its viewership as the season progressed. Recap sites stopped covering the show. Season 2 didn't make that much of a blip. Negative reviews from Red Letter Media, the Critical Drinker, and others have garnered millions of views on YouTube. This suggests a large potential audience that might be inclined to give this season a try, assuming what initially turned them off the show has been addressed and corrected.

So far season 3 has been attracting far better mainstream media and "access media" reviews. Some reviewers have even mentioned friends/family that aren't Star Trek fans getting into PICARD season 3 while watching the screeners with them. Conservative leaning reviewers have indicated that the season is unlikely to structurally alienate the 92% of the population that aren't progressive activists, indicating a broader appeal in this area as well.

Amazon Prime has a high penetration rate outside the US/Canada, so the show is easily accessible to people with the requisite high speed internet access. Paramount+ has a broader audience now as well in the US, thanks to the Tayler Sheridan shows, which skew Generation X. And there might be crossover appeal to people that watched TNG as it originally aired back in the day. And in Canada, Crave is the platform of the largest private Canadian media company, Bell Media, so again it should have a large market penetration rate and thus be easily accessible for people open to giving the season a try.

Assuming the season is good (highly likely yes), and the word of mouth effective, it could sizably increase the ratings from season 2

Has no bearing on my view.

Fair enough. You seem to like most of live action NuTrek. I haven't. If this season is a hit, I'm far more likely to get more of the type of Star Trek I liked from the Berman era, but adapted to the current streaming environment.

You know, at the end of the day, YouTube content creators are just people with opinions. I’ll admit my opinion has softened on these people over the past few years but man, it still amazes me the stock that some people put into them.

Isn’t it more important whether or not YOU enjoy the show or not?

I already know I'm highly likely to enjoy PICARD season 3. So for me it's not so much a question of if the show is good or bad, but promoting it so other people alienated by the rest of other recent Star Trek to give it another shot.

YouTube content creators can play a major role in promoting the season... It's a big effing deal Red Letter Media and the Critical Drinker are onboard, and are highly likely to move the needle in the analytics department. If the season turns out to have crossover appeal, you could even have MCU, Star Wars, LotR, Game of Thrones etc fans giving it a try based on YouTuber suggestions.

Qualitative research wise, videos like this are good for promoting the season.

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[fireproof78]

Fair enough. You seem to like most of live action NuTrek. I haven't. If this season is a hit, I'm far more likely to get more of the type of Star Trek I liked from the Berman era, but adapted to the current streaming environment.

Some works. Some doesn't. I take it episode by episode. Otherwise, I'd abandon Trek a long time ago.

It's a big effing deal Red Letter Media and the Critical Drinker are onboard, and are highly likely to move the needle in the analytics department. If

So, you're part of the analytics department?

 

[James Cole]

So, you're part of the analytics department?

More like just informed speculation

But when you have over a million views on YouTube about an episode, and many commenters are saying they watched said review but not the episode itself... and you also have people with behind the scenes information saying that a key metric for Paramount in evaluating the performance of the season will be social media impact, I'd say there's something here.

 

[fireproof78]

More like just informed speculation I have way too much free time on my hands for a few months while I recover from a freak sound accident, and this is something I'm passionate about.

But when you have over a million views on YouTube about an episode, and many commenters are saying they watched said review but not the episode itself... and you also have people with behind the scenes information saying that a key metric for Paramount in evaluating the performance of the season will be social media impact, I'd say there's something here.

Like what? Why should I care or why should that inform my opnion on the season? I don't know these commentators nor is their platform and earned one so there is no expert or professional credentials to put any weight behind it. SO...I don't know what's there but I think it's about as useful to the average fan as the daily stock reports for Paramount.

 

[Campe]

It has been established through Canadian ratings data that the first season…

Anybody got any charts?

Conservative leaning reviewers have indicated that the season is unlikely to structurally alienate the 92% of the population that aren't progressive activists, indicating a broader appeal in this area as well.

Huh? Also, surveys show that 74% of all statistics are made up.

Assuming the season is good (highly likely yes), and the word of mouth effective, it could sizably increase the ratings from season 2

We’re an hour in. Let’s wait to declare victory there.

YouTube content creators can play a major role in promoting the season... It's a big effing deal Red Letter Media and the Critical Drinker are onboard, and are highly likely to move the needle in the analytics department.

Nah, it’s only a big effing deal to those who care what Red Letter Media and the Critical Drinker have to say about that particular topic. Both have about 1.6 million subscribers. Fair bet that it’s probably largely the same audience. And 1.6 million subscribers does not suggest that all 1.6 million individuals actually all care about Star Trek or that they all agree with either’s general take on Trek or anything for that matter. I was subscribed to RLM for a long time. Stopped watching them quite awhile ago but only recently unsubscribed.

 

[Mudd]

Anybody got any charts?



Huh? Also, surveys show that 74% of all statistics are made up.



We’re an hour in. Let’s wait to declare victory there.



Nah, it’s only a big effing deal to those who care what Red Letter Media and the Critical Drinker have to say about that particular topic. Both have about 1.6 million subscribers. Fair bet that it’s probably largely the same audience. And 1.6 million subscribers does not suggest that all 1.6 million individuals actually all care about Star Trek or that they all agree with either’s general take on Trek or anything for that matter. I was subscribed to RLM for a long time. Stopped watching them quite awhile ago but only recently unsubscribed.

Exactly so.

The followers of YouTube chatterboxes are convinced that these people are influential in some way, but they're not terribly. It's a matter of confirmation bias - people who hate stuff find talking heads online who demolish it, and people who like stuff follow the videoblogging fanboys. And they're all convinced that they represent some critical cross-section of people who watch TV.

The only people who believe that these folks matter are the people who already agree with them and seek them out.

RLM and their ilk are not going to triple the size of viewership for a streaming TV show that's several years old, any more than Doomcock could drive the Kurtzman Star Trek shows off the air. That's arrant nonsense.

 

[Lord Garth]

Oh my fucking God.

PIC Season 3 is a last hurrah for the TNG crew. Nothing more. DSC, whatever you think of it, is going into its fifth season. It's an older show now. The future of Star Trek on TV is Strange New Worlds. Not Picard.

Conservative leaning reviewers have indicated

What they think can go to Hell. PIC Season 3 is not going to "Make Trek Great Again".

 

[The Old Mixer]

It's only been one episode. This thread should have happened maybe 5 weeks from now.

Indeed. I can't help thinking how laughable a Season 2 counterpart to this thread would have been (if we didn't have one): "This is the Trek we've all been waiting for!" Yeah? Don't get used to it...

 

[Precious Tritium]

Hey, where’s that guy who used to post all those charts and analytics that meant absolutely nothing? He really livened the place up.

We’ll never get a clear picture of streaming numbers. The only time we get close to anything like that is when these streaming companies get Deadline or Variety to post an article about how a certain show was their most watched show to date within 24 hours or something.

I vaguely remember season 2 of Picard got something like that. I’m almost certain Strange New Worlds did, and Discovery before that. If season 3 of Picard was a huge success, you better believe Paramount would be boasting about it. Time will tell.

As for the these YouTube pundits increasing viewership, I seriously doubt it. The people who run those channels and the people who watch those channels were gonna watch these shows regardless, even if it was just to bitch about them.

 

[fireproof78]

We’ll never get a clear picture of streaming numbers. T

Nope. We can speculate all we want but it amounts to nothing. The numbers will never improve my viewing habits. Great minds think for themselves.

 

[Campe]

The biggest thing I don’t think people like our friend who is constantly posting about YT “pundits” is that any influence, *ANY* influence from these things is considered positive marks for the studios. As @Precious Tritium suggests, people are going to watch regardless. And when there’s a social impact, whether positive or negative, it’s still an impact. It’s a much different world then before the YT Trek “pundit.”

 

[F. King Daniel]

Answer: No.

Hopefully it's better than S2, but I seriously doubt it's going to be anything special. Just a lot more fanwanky.

But I've only seen episode 1, I may yet eat my words.

 

[Tuskin38]

Yeah most of the people praising it have seen the first 8 episodes, and some of them have said the first couple are slow.