Spoilers Did Picard finally ''right the ship'' with Picard season 3?

[The Overlord]

There was nothing wrong with seasons 1 and 2.

There was nothing that needed to be "righted."

Different does not equal "bad." To say this is how Picard always "should have been" is to disrespect the cast and crew of the first two seasons and their intentions.

I disagree, season 1 felt very disjointed and season 2 had some of the worst pacing I have ever seen, it's a 2-hour story stretched out to 10 hours, and nothing happens for long stretches of time.

This has been my experience with people yes. It is not my preference, no.

If we are talking about opinions, I am not well within my rights to compare season 3 to seasons 1 and 2?

 

[tomalak301]

It's only been one episode. This thread should have happened maybe 5 weeks from now. Of course I probably might come back to it with a better answer by then but Season 2's premiere was excellent and then look where the rest of the season headed. Also, after I rewatched it again, Season 1 wasn't that bad. Stardust City Rag though, and the Icheb scene in particular, I still have negative feelings about.

 

[fireproof78]

It's only been one episode. This thread should have happened maybe 5 weeks from now. Of course I probably might come back to it with a better answer by then but Season 2's premiere was excellent and then look where the rest of the season headed. Also, after I rewatched it again, Season 1 wasn't that bad. Stardust City Rag though, and the Icheb scene in particular, I still have negative feelings about.

Yup. Season 3 is building up to be Capone's Vault at this juncture.

 

[Campe]

At the end of the day, it’s all opinion and tastes. We’re not a monolith.

 

[Danja]

I finally watched season 1 for the first time in the last month and have like 15 pages of hand written notes. It would probably take me 3 hours to type them up into a cohesive post. Maybe I should just do a TL;dr of the season's greatest crimes?

Please don't.

I've sat through more than a few Great Walls of Text.

 

[James Cole]

Please don't.

I've sat through more than a few Great Walls of Text. U

Haha, well, my ultimate conclusion is that Terry Matalas shouldn't take the blame for bad decisions made by Alex Kurtzman, Akiva Goldsman, and Michael Chabon. Expecting him to fix everything wrong with season 1, including character deaths and character assassinations, just isn't fair.

Also, this thread has convinced me I need to use emojis far more on this BBS...

 

[Jedi Marso]

At one episode in I think it is entirely too early to say.

I was excited for this series, originally. To this point it has been a let-down. S1 started strong, ended poorly. S2 fell off a cliff starting about Ep 3. If this season turns out good overall, by my grade this show will have been about 50% good.

At the same time, by comparison, I think SNW so far is about 80-90% good.

 

[tomalak301]

At the end of the day, it’s all opinion and tastes. We’re not a monolith.

Yes it’s opinions but the fact is only 1 episode has aired. It’s way too early for this question.

 

[Cr0sis21]

The biggest issues with season one and season two is pacing.
We could have cut both seasons down by literally half, mashed them together and had a Season 1 part one and part two (Like with Prodigy).

Season two could have worked fine (I guess?) but much of the narrative was a mess. A majority of the characters had little to nothing to do, even after you cut out Elnor and Soji. Picard spent a whole episode sitting in a chair in a room, for goodness sake.

So in terms of righting what went wrong in either season, much of that will do with pace and plotting. And we won't have an answer till later. So far, Im excited for it, but then again i was excited after The Star Gazer as well.

 

[ELCHawk]

Picard is not my favorite but seasons 1 and 2 were still better than 90 percent of shows out there right now of any genre.

There is nothing wrong to not enjoy Trek shows. However, it just seems like some people go way out of their way to show their hatred for Picard and Discovery especially. That gets very old.

 

[Cr0sis21]

Picard is not my favorite but seasons 1 and 2 were still better than 90 percent of shows out there right now of any genre.

There is nothing wrong to not enjoy Trek shows. However, it just seems like some people go way out of their way to show their hatred for Picard and Discovery especially. That gets very old.

As many problems as i have had with Picard (mostly season 2), it's still, like all trek, the only TV show I really go out of my way to watch, consistently, no matter what.

 

[Midquest]

Just a thought, but if anyone has the time it might be fun to compare the polling for the three season premieres to get a sense of whether there's a shift in overall reception within our little community. Is this the best-received premiere?

Personally, the first season of Picard is perhaps my favorite of modern Trek. I find that it's got some deep flaws, but also a gorgeous sense of whimsy, beauty, and joy combined with fascinating world building and interesting characters. So many of its moments delight. So, I guess I'd say that the ship teetered and perhaps capsized in season 2, but it was mostly sailing just fine in season 1.

 

[The Lensman]

Just a thought, but if anyone has the time it might be fun to compare the polling for the three season premieres to get a sense of whether there's a shift in overall reception within our little community. Is this the best-received premiere?

Personally, the first season of Picard is perhaps my favorite of modern Trek. I find that it's got some deep flaws, but also a gorgeous sense of whimsy, beauty, and joy combined with fascinating world building and interesting characters. So many of its moments delight. So, I guess I'd say that the ship teetered and perhaps capsized in season 2, but it was mostly sailing just fine in season 1.

Season 1 of Picard wasn’t perfect and the AI tentacle thing at the season end was absolute shit, but at least it tried to be something other than the beyond stale “Yet another Starfleet Ship Show”. That they put just about everyone back in Starfleet in season 2 was enough to make me not watch. Season 3 looks like nostalgic fanwank of the type demanded by and lapped up by fans of multiple IP’s right now. I have no interest in Section 31 as a concept, but if it gives us a fresh window into this universe, then I’ll watch it if it ever happens. At this point, if they’re just going to regurgitate the same tired concept over and over, they should just change the brand name from “Star Trek” to “Starfleet”. We’re in an era where you can do an 8-10 ep story and then move on and they STILL can’t come up with anything beyond “Starfleet” show.

 

[Campe]

I finally watched season 1 for the first time in the last month and have like 15 pages of hand written notes.

When I watch TV, I just watch TV.

 

[fireproof78]

Season 3 looks like nostalgic fanwank of the type demanded by and lapped up by fans of multiple IP’s right now.

This is what is selling right now. People keep buying it so it will keep getting made.

When I watch TV, I just watch TV.

Same. It's why I stopped trying to do a podcast. There is just to much to do in life to hyperanalyze something meant for enjoyment.

 

[Precious Tritium]

Just a thought, but if anyone has the time it might be fun to compare the polling for the three season premieres to get a sense of whether there's a shift in overall reception within our little community. Is this the best-received premiere?

Personally, the first season of Picard is perhaps my favorite of modern Trek. I find that it's got some deep flaws, but also a gorgeous sense of whimsy, beauty, and joy combined with fascinating world building and interesting characters. So many of its moments delight. So, I guess I'd say that the ship teetered and perhaps capsized in season 2, but it was mostly sailing just fine in season 1.

The flaws of season 1 endear it more to me in my eyes. It feels like a show actually made with real authentic voices behind it, rather than something cooked up in a boardroom that’s made purely to make fans go “ooooh.” It’s messy and it’s complicated. Often it feels like there’s three creatives voices all pulling in different directions. It doesn’t all work, but when it does all come together I think it sings.

Anyway, season 3 could be great. Too early to tell. Hoping it’s not just a greatest hits nostalgia play.

 

[Lord Garth]

If someone's taking 15 pages worth of notes, I have to question whether or not they're actually really watching. I watch an episode twice. Once to enjoy it and take it all in and once to be more analytical, but I never write down or take notes.

How can you write (or type) 15 pages worth of notes and still actually look at the TV monitor? "Multi-tasking" my ass. It's impossible to devote full attention if you're "watching" like that.

 

[James Cole]

Season 3 looks like nostalgic fanwank of the type demanded by and lapped up by fans of multiple IP’s right now. I have no interest in Section 31 as a concept, but if it gives us a fresh window into this universe, then I’ll watch it if it ever happens. At this point, if they’re just going to regurgitate the same tired concept over and over, they should just change the brand name from “Star Trek” to “Starfleet”. We’re in an era where you can do an 8-10 ep story and then move on and they STILL can’t come up with anything beyond “Starfleet” show.

Ok, that's a really good point. At one point they were going to make Nicholas Meyer's Khan miniseries, which would have been something exactly like you're asking for. Maybe one problem is the upfront costs of building sets that then won't be amortized over more than the initial miniseries? Or maybe the unwillingness to go to a truly exotic location and shoot there for the duration (say Iceland, the Canary Islands, Australian outback, a tropical rainforest...)? But this seems like a great way to bring a character or two back. Say an O'Brien miniseries? Bashir? Worf?

Just today, John Rogers, who took over for Terry Matalas on MACGYVER S4 and ran LEVERAGE, joked on Twitter about doing a miniseries on M'Talas Prime about financial crime in the Star Trek universe after the complaints about the mention of money. That might be an interesting watch. Just how far can you stretch a story in the Star Trek universe?

If someone's taking 15 pages worth of notes, I have to question whether or not they're actually really watching. I watch an episode twice. Once to enjoy it and take it all in and once to be more analytical, but I never write down or take notes.

How can you write (or type) 15 pages worth of notes and still actually look at the TV monitor? "Multi-tasking" my ass. It's impossible to devote full attention if you're "watching" like that.

Haha, well, these are more like handwritten bullet points. Why am I being knocked out of whatever narrative is going on? Some of those episodes took 90 mins to watch with all the pausing and repeating scenes. A lot of it felt just badly misaligned. The second half of "The Impossible Box" actually flowed really well, and I have few notes for that episode. And then for "Nepenthe" there is a very touching scene where Elnor stays behind on the Borg cube to help Hugh, and Jurati and Rios are telling him he's crazy but brave. I replayed that several times thinking over how they really pulled off that scene in a positive way.

 

[Campe]

After almost 60 years primarily looking at Starfleet crews doing Starfleet things, I’m far more interested in seeing what else is out there. That’s why I really enjoyed season one of Picard. No, it wasn’t perfect. There’s a ton of flaws and the ending was strange. But it was a different perspective about what Star Trek could be.

 

[Agony_Boothb]

Honestly I think Picard Season 1 and 2 were fine. They weren't perfect, but they also didn't deserve the relentless diatribes of hypocrite fanboys.