DC to REBOOT???

[23skidoo]

Wonder Woman loses her pants...

Which should surprise no one who actually read the comic. I found it hilarious that people actually thought the costume change was permanent. It could have been permanent, but if you read the story you'd have seen the return of the original costume and character telegraphed from the very beginning.

But I thought DC had banned such "skimpy" costuming on its female heroes? Putting Wonder Woman back in the proper costume is actually one of the only things they seem to have gotten right in the reboot.

Have what make sense? What inherent to the Legion requires Superboy? I just don't get this.

Well, as explained by others Superboy was part and parcel of the inspiration of the LOSH. However the Legion dropped Superboy in about 1980 and continued on for more than 20 years perfectly fine without him. If they're farting about with continuity and eliminating the Superboy elements from the LOSH backstory, I doubt it'll make a difference. There are plenty of other superheroes they could springboard from, or that angle could simply be abandoned altogether.

Alex

 

[Admiral_Young]

^ ^Some of that is right, I pretty much explained why the two are intertwined in my earlier posts. Superboy has been part of the Legion since it's original inception. The two are linked together. They both inspire the other. The Legion formed because they were fond yes of "20/21th century heroes" but also the legend of Superman. For fans to "poo poo" away Superman's importance to the team is not understand the importance of his history with the team.

I apologize if I'm being overly sensitive to this matter but I'm very passionate when it comes to this particular subject. Geoff Johns knew what he was doing when he reestablished Clark's link with the team.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legion_of_Superheroes

 

[Hound of UIster]

However the Legion dropped Superboy in about 1980 and continued on for more than 20 years perfectly fine without him.

I wouldn't consider two (or three?) failed reboots to be anywhere close to fine. When was the last time since the 80s that the Legion got on the Top 20 charts.

 

[Myasishchev]

Bearing in mind that the Legion's very first meeting with Clark Kent was full of lies and betrayal.

 

[Admiral_Young]

^ Yeah. Recent retcon....

 

[Myasishchev]

^ Yeah. Recent retcon....

Wait, was Secret Origins full of lies and betrayal also? I meant Adventure Comics #247. "Lol, you're such a good sport, taking all our trickery and abuse, Superboy!" I think that's actually a line in the comic.

 

[Admiral_Young]

I was thinking about a recent line from Brainy who told Cos and Imra that he made a mistake in calculating the time coordinates for the time bubble. They over lapped their original destination and ended up in Clark's past. Brainy didn't tell them until much later on that wasn't where he was originally sending them. This was really recent. I don't remember the exact issue.

I remember now...it had to do with the Last Stand of Krypton. Brainy stated that the original purpose for coming to Smallville was to collect fragmented pieces of Brainiac tech or some such.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

i'm with you. i prefer Superboy with the Legion. its difficult to separate the two from each other, at least its difficult to separate them and have it make sense.

Have what make sense? What inherent to the Legion requires Superboy? I just don't get this.

well, didn't the Legion originally form because they were inspired by Superboy/Superman?

Then just say that they formed for some more sensible, plausible reason instead. They're a bunch of kids with superpowers living in the 30th century - they need thousand year-old stories about another teenager to kick-start them? Sheesh.

For fans to "poo poo" away Superman's importance to the team is not understand the importance of his history with the team.

It's not history, it's old continuity - this stuff grows like Topsy, and can be retired or eliminated when it doesn't serve a purpose any longer.

If the new DC continuity doesn't include the old teen-Clark Superboy, then there's no place for him in the LSH. Hard to get around that.

 

[Professor Zoom]

Every time I hear about Matter-Eater Lad, I'm reminded of the issue of Secret Origins from the 1980s featuring the Legion of Substitute Heroes. Ral Benem (Chlorophyll Kid) is flunking out of school and thinks to himself, "They're going to put me in the special class with that kid from Bismoll who kept eating the chalk."

Dude. That's a series I would buy: Matter Eater Lad AND Chlorophyll Kid! It's like the Blue and Gold of our time!

Is there still room for Arms-Fall-Off-Boy?

that'll be the 80-page giant issue.

 

[Admiral_Young]

@Dennis except that Paul Levitz has stated that the Legion that we see in the relaunch is still the current Legion which is based on the Silver Age version (or your so called "old continuity".) I guess we'll just have to wait and see when Legion: Secret Origins comes out what is kept and what is tossed.

It's funny what ignites fans passions lol.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

@Dennis except that Paul Levitz has stated that the Legion that we see in the relaunch is still the current Legion which is based on the Silver Age version (or your so called "old continuity".)

That's nice.

Doesn't seem to be a Superboy in the new Superman continuity, other than Conner.

 

[Admiral_Young]

Yeah...I guess we'll learn about that as well.

 

[Skywalker]

I prefer my LSH sans Superboy, as well.

 

[Myasishchev]

Have what make sense? What inherent to the Legion requires Superboy? I just don't get this.

well, didn't the Legion originally form because they were inspired by Superboy/Superman?

Then just say that they formed for some more sensible, plausible reason instead. They're a bunch of kids with superpowers living in the 30th century - they need thousand year-old stories about another teenager to kick-start them? Sheesh.

Fair point, although it brings to mind the oddity that something like half of the Legion doesn't actually have superpowers.

Just an incomplete list: Cosmic Boy, Triplicate Girl, Chameleon (Boy), Phantom Girl, Brainiac 5, Mon-El, Dream Girl, Saturn Girl, Karate Kid, and Colossal Boy are all from alien species or human subspecies, presumably numbering in the hundreds of thousands to billions, who possess basically the same natural abilities. This is one of the reasons I liked the Threeboot Legion, treating the core Legion as much as the inner circle of a revolutionary cabal as it treated them as "super-heroes." However, even then, they stop short of massed armies of Braalians or whatever Colossal Boy's giant people are called; I'm not aware of any Legion story that takes the concept as far as it seems you logically could, with the possible exception of the Great Darkness Saga, with its bomber stream of Daxamites.

But given that, it's sort of surprising they don't look up to Batman instead. I mean, on Braal, Cosmic Boy is just a really well-trained, dedicated guy.

 

[Admiral_Young]

From what I gather Batman is kind an urban myth in the Legion time. In fact they seem to know very little about Batman. In one of the last annuals they went to the Bat Cave where Alfred served tea to members of the Espionage Squad while Brainy and Bruce worked out some kind of calculations to save Clark who had been poisoned. Again I don't remember the issue (i'm really bad at that stuff). There were incredulous questions from members to Brainy "Kal and Batman were friends???" To which I believe Brainy replies "The best."

 

[Hound of UIster]

But given that, it's sort of surprising they don't look up to Batman instead. I mean, on Braal, Cosmic Boy is just a really well-trained, dedicated guy.

Batman isn't a symbol to be looked up to.

Superman set himself up as a symbol for peace/justice/freedom.

 

[Nerys Myk]

well, didn't the Legion originally form because they were inspired by Superboy/Superman?

Then just say that they formed for some more sensible, plausible reason instead. They're a bunch of kids with superpowers living in the 30th century - they need thousand year-old stories about another teenager to kick-start them? Sheesh.

Fair point, although it brings to mind the oddity that something like half of the Legion doesn't actually have superpowers.

Just an incomplete list: Cosmic Boy, Triplicate Girl, Chameleon (Boy), Phantom Girl, Brainiac 5, Mon-El, Dream Girl, Saturn Girl, Karate Kid, and Colossal Boy are all from alien species or human subspecies, presumably numbering in the hundreds of thousands to billions, who possess basically the same natural abilities. This is one of the reasons I liked the Threeboot Legion, treating the core Legion as much as the inner circle of a revolutionary cabal as it treated them as "super-heroes." However, even then, they stop short of massed armies of Braalians or whatever Colossal Boy's giant people are called; I'm not aware of any Legion story that takes the concept as far as it seems you logically could, with the possible exception of the Great Darkness Saga, with its bomber stream of Daxamites.

But given that, it's sort of surprising they don't look up to Batman instead. I mean, on Braal, Cosmic Boy is just a really well-trained, dedicated guy.

Karate Kid is a human who happens to be the universe's best martial artist. Colossal Boy (in most versions of the LSH) is an Earth born human who gains super powers.

 

[Admiral_Young]

Another thing regarding Superman and the Legion is that the culture and politics of the United Planets are also based somewhat on his legend and fundamental issues that he stood for. At least this has been the case since Geoff Johns restored the Silver Age aspects of the team.

I'm not saying that Superman is integral to the Legion of Superheroes, I'm saying though that it shouldn't be dismissed or ignored. I have followed the versions of team without Superman as the back bone of the future society I just prefer him part of the future.

 

[Mike Farley]

I think the current solution to the Superboy question works perfectly fine. Clark never operated in modern times as Superboy. The only time he does operate as Superboy is in the 31st century with the Legion. It maintains a Superman who makes his public debut as an adult, while keeping LSH continuity mostly intact.

 

[Myasishchev]

Karate Kid is a human who happens to be the universe's best martial artist. Colossal Boy (in most versions of the LSH) is an Earth born human who gains super powers.

Perhaps I should have said "Micro Lad."

But I could replace him others who have inborn powers that are about as impressive in their contexts as my ability to walk or lift things with my arms, e.g., Matter-Eater Lad, Polar Boy, Stone Boy, Element Lad.

Now, Bouncing Boy? Superpowered.