Cristopher Lloyd ruined the Klingons!
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You forgot to mention Tomalok, the female Romulan commander from "Face of the Enemy" and the Malcorians (funny, the woman who was Yale also was the female TNG commander. Coraline Seymour is a fine actress indeed).
Anyways, Worf's greater depth in DS9 came from the Exec Producers liking him more (Roddenberry never liked him from the very beginning and din't want him as more than a background character) and from DS9 not suffering from TNG's Roddenberry edicts that there be no real tension or conflict between the main chars. They only continued it on TNG after Gene died because Michael Piller (who was really in charge of TNG starting in S3) thought it would be really disrespectful to immediately drop Gene's edicts right after he died.
It may have hurt the show, but it was a decent thing to do. Piller really was the Gene Coon of TNG.
Thanks for the clarification. It's been a while since I saw "The Search for Spock," but that was one of my favorite parts of the film.AJBryant said:
That's "I... have HAD.... e-NOUGH.... of YOU!!"
Yeah, that was a highlight.
Tony
And what is a targ? A Klingon dog.Kryton said:
Kruge had a TARG, you philistine! NOT a "dog".
Sheesh! It's only Tuesday, and already the Klingons are getting surly!
Now, THAT'S a scary concept.
Kryton said:
Kruge had a TARG, you philistine! NOT a "dog".
Sez who? Didn't look like a targ to me. Targs look like wild boars in drag. Kruge's pet looked like a komodo dragon in a fur coat as brought to you by Jim Henson. If humans can have pets as diverse as chickens, geese, iguanas, turtles, ferrets, pot belly pigs, lion fish (I'm looking at you, Livingston, you gaudy little tease) and rocks, not to mention the quotidian cats and dogs, not every Klingon pet must be a targ.
(Golly. Maybe I really ought to get a life, after all.)
You know in Fly II, when the dog goes through the teleport and turns inside out. Kruge's pet looks like that.
In retrospect, that scene where he's been electrocuted and Kruge is holding him and his forked tongue is hanging out? That's pretty funny. Just don't tell PETM (People for the Ethical Treatment of Muppets).
Ah...Tomalak was male (played by Andreas Katsulas).
The one from 'Face of the Enemy' was Toreth.
No, he meant Tomalak and the female Romulan commander. That comma is ordinal, not parenthetical.
Kruge's pet was nasty, but it wasn't a targ. Too small and hairless, not to mention totally different in every other way.
It must be distracting having that thing growling at you while trying to work. No wonder the gunner screwed up!
or Mankind for Ethical Animal Treatment.
Eating is murder!
It must be distracting having that thing growling at you while trying to work. No wonder the gunner screwed up!
Unicron said:
Or the good PETA (People Eating Tasty Animals).
or Mankind for Ethical Animal Treatment.
Eating is murder!
ancient said:
Kruge's pet was nasty, but it wasn't a targ. Too small and hairless, not to mention totally different in every other way.
There could be different 'breeds' of targ.
A targ chihuahua
I actually much prefer the post-TNG Klingons. I felt they were too one-dimensional in TOS...and even in the beginning of TNG, before Ron Moore worked his magic on them.
I felt that Ron Moore gave them motivation, culture, and backstory. They moved from being fighting, grunting and otherwise nondescript 'bad guys' to a much more interesting and 3-dimensional race.
TOS did a great job with the Romulans...but I don't think the Klingons came into their own until Ron Moore got ahold of them.
I felt that Ron Moore gave them motivation, culture, and backstory. They moved from being fighting, grunting and otherwise nondescript 'bad guys' to a much more interesting and 3-dimensional race.
TOS did a great job with the Romulans...but I don't think the Klingons came into their own until Ron Moore got ahold of them.
We saw lawyer and scientist Klingons on TNG as well.
Is it any wonder we almost always see Klingons as warriors when most of the time we're seeing humans interact with their military? Isn't this a bit like assuming that all humans are Starfleet officers? We've so very rarely seen actually non-military Klingon society it's hard to get a well-rounded picture.
There have also been a couple of instances of non-warrior Klingons voicing the opinion that while 24th century Klingon society is greatly obsessed with the warrior caste, there was a time when it was held that one could gain honor through many other professions as well. The ST movies (especially VI) point out a gradual decline in Klingon society that could very well lead to the state we see the Empire in during TNG: slightly broken, so desperate to remain a galactic power that they go in the opposite direct we see them in during TOS. They encourage military enrollment and the warrior philosophy and increase military spending to retain the appearance of being as strong as ever.
All for the glory of the Empire of course!
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