Spoilers Canon, Continuity, and Pike's Accident

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  1. CorporalCaptain

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  2. HotRod

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    We know that Pike knows that it has to be Kirk who takes over the Enterprise. Perhaps he confided this information to her and she willingly accepts that she cannot have the Enterprise. She trust Pike explicitly and would trust him on this.

    I still like the idea of her taking command of a different Starship and taking La'an as her Number One. She could also take on Erica as her helmsman and Pelia as her Cheif Engineer, leaving the Enterprise in the hands of Scotty, who I suspect will be somewhat of an understudy to her in the coming seasons.

    If this whole TV movie thing pans out, I could see them making a film for the 60th Anniversary. Pike's last adventure as Captain of the Enterprise. By the end of the film we'll witness the historic transfer of command to Captain James T. Kirk.

    I mean, what better way to celebrate the 60th Anniversary of Star Trek than to see Kirk take command of the Enterprise and bringing the entire franchise full circle?
     
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    I like this! Not exactly how I imagined it personally, but it fits all the facts as we currently know them.

    Personally, I think SNW might introduce Gary Mitchell before the series is over. After all, Dr. Dehner did say that Spock served with Mitchell "for years." And I love the idea that at the time of WNMHGB, Mitchell actually knew Spock better than Kirk did.
    Hmm, also interesting. I really hope they don't kill Number One, though. Partly because I like her, partly because it would seem redundant with Pike's fate.
    I LOVE this idea! Even if I don't end up liking how they do it, that would be a great way to celebrate the 60th Anniversary!
     
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    I'd love to see a SNW feature in 2026 showing that same idea. It wouldn't be that hard to move these characters over to the big screen. They're pretty damned lovable.
     
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    I'm hoping he's Jenna Mitchell's ex-husband
     
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    I wouldn't be too surprised if they did something like that. But OTOH, "Mitchell" is a very common last name.
     
  7. Serveaux

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    Does he?

    He knew little about Kirk in "A Quality of Mercy." He never showed any sign of recognition.

    One might infer that he knows everything that wheelchair Pike will know about everything, as a result of his brief vision, but that hasn't been made clear. It would be a dramatically troublesome assumption.
     
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    What about Pike's fate happening off-camera?

    It would be terribly anticlimactic for SNW to end with Pike disfigured and in a wheelchair.
     
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    The show ends when Kirk takes command, and Pike doesn't get injured for at least a year after that.
     
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    Paramount's movie division might have some issues with that (They created the Kelvinverse for a reason).

    Trek's TV characters aren't being permitted to cross over onto the big screen.
     
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    They're all owned by the same company again, I don't think it matters.

    They've already showed it back in Discovery and a bit in SNW 1, that ship has already sailed.

    They don't have to show him in the wheel chair, show him walking on Talos.
     
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    I think Pike arriving on Talos IV was the end of his story in TOS... but not the end of his story in SNW.

    I don't know how many of you have watched Better Call Saul (a prequel series to Breaking Bad), so I won't spoil it if you ever do decide to watch it, but the show is about a scumbag lawyer who goes by the name Saul Goodman, who was the lawyer to a chemistry teacher turned drug lord Walter White, a.k.a. Heisenberg. Better Call Saul is a prequel, but every season started with a flashforward to his life after Breaking Bad, where he's in hiding. Then the final four episodes of BSC were exclusively post-BB. So, where Saul ended up at the end of Breaking Bad was no longer the end of his story. There was more story to tell.

    Likewise, I think we'll see some of Pike's life on Talos IV and what happens afterwards. It's something I've always figured and I don't think I'll be wrong about it. TOS introduced the character, and DSC re-introduced the character, but SNW would want to have the Final Word since it's the show where he's the Main Character. That's not a spoiler, it's speculation, but I think it's also common sense.

    EDITED TO ADD: Anyway, on a sidenote, Better Call Saul is my second-favorite television series ever, after Mad Men. So, I highly recommend it. I actually like it better than Breaking Bad.
     
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    Not sure the accuracy of that but a source would be fantastic. Because that seems like a huge amount of presumption.
     
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  14. Lord Garth

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    They're not making another Kelvin Movie. They can't get anything made. I imagine Paramount can't be happy about this. So if JJ Abrams and his team can't do it, it would make sense for Paramount to have someone who can.

    I think JJ Abrams retroactively sees Star Trek as a stepping stone to his getting Star Wars. Now that he's directed two Star Wars movies, and he's lived his childhood dream, what does he need Star Trek for? You want someone to direct and produce Star Trek who's hungry for it. Not someone who's like, "Been there, done that, moved on."
     
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    Studio administrations and priorities change on a dime.
     
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    It's been a minute since I watched the episode, but wasn't it made fairly clear that he understood it was Kirk who needed to be "in the chair?"

    I figured that his sitting down for a chat with Kirk during the aftermath of the battle, and him looking up Lt. Kirk's file while back in the present, punctuated that idea. Could be wrong. I'll watch the episode later.

    They're supposed to be making TV movies. A TV movie for Strange New Worlds would make a pretty good series finale.
     
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    Not really. Meeting Kirk brought the kid to his attention, and may result in his eventually recommending Kirk for the command. But the only message that Pike clearly took away from the vision or whatever was that trying to avoid his destined path would cost Spock's life.

    For all Pike knows, Kirk is "destined" to command Farragut. He doesn't even know that, if he accepts promotion, Enterprise will be the ship on the scene when the Romulans show.

    It's not unreasonable to infer that Kirk winds up Captain of the Enterprise because of Pike and the events in "A Quality of Mercy." But one can also construct an alternative series of events without contradicting that episode or the explicit meaning of Pike's experiences in the alternate future.
     
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  18. Serveaux

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    To maunder a bit more on the subject, IMO if Pike doesn't think that Una's equal to handling a crisis like the Romulans he's already got a big personnel problem as a commander.

    Plus, Una already knows that Pike has seen the future. Since he can disclose useful information to her and expect to be believed, one might think he'd see an advantage to passing the reins to her.

     
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    I took more that Pike was not to be the one in the chair, that his attempts to avoid his fate resulted in a lot of other tragic things, including Spock dying and increasing hostilities with the Romulans.
     
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  20. HotRod

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    I gotta re-watch the episode tonight. I could swear there was something in there pointing to Kirk being the answer, but it sounds like I may be in the wrong.