Whoops. Kids, don't brush your teeth and type at the same time.Pedantic.
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Whoops. Kids, don't brush your teeth and type at the same time.Pedantic.
Or just don't brush your teeth. It's really meaningless exercise which serves no purpose other than to empower dentists.Whoops. Kids, don't brush your teeth and type at the same time.
But how else can I get all minty fresh?Or just don't brush your teeth. It's really meaningless exercise which serves no purpose other than to empower dentists.
Wow, it's not even 10am yet. I don't know whether to be impressed or horrified.Of course that minty freshness last all of 5 minutes before I drown it away with liters of....
Coffee
Coke
More Coffee
More Coke
And finally a glass of Scotch.
In that order...... usually.
I did edit to point out that this was throughout the course of the day.Wow, it's not even 10am yet. I don't know whether to be impressed or horrified.
Which is fine. None of that is mandatory for enjoyment .Doylist vs Watsonian perspectives in fandom are, again, nothing new. Especially Star Trek with it's chronologies, encyclopedias, technical manuals, wikis...
Enjoy? Hardly. I find it confusing and distressing that enjoyment takes a back seat to canon.I've come to the realization that the "real" toxic fans are the ones that enjoy that other fans are upset about changes to long-standing Star Trek canon.
The real question for me is how does this change impact the stories. Is there really any difference between the Eugenics Wars happening in 1992 or 2042 in the terms of story? Are the plots of Space Seed or TWOK altered by that change? Is Khan different. Is his fate somehow altered? Are the events as we know them changed? How about the actions of Kirk and crew? Is here any impact on future stories? I say no. The dates are irrelevant to the story. Chosen because they are/were in out future. Now those dates are are past. So yes, lets move these fictional events up the time. When other dates cross from future into past do the same. Story over "data points".
I would think the Kelvin movies not having any idea what they're doing shows that to be a dramatically dead end.Of course it's impacted. How can it not be?? If people are still interested in more Trek in a few years, I have a feeling they eventually will re-tell TOS. It probably would have been a whole lot easier and less messier just doing a complete reboot of Trek from the start. Which is what I had always hoped for before Discovery. But alas it was not to be.....
I would think the Kelvin movies not having any idea what they're doing shows that to be a dramatically dead end.
My question is how does it impact the stories? The ones already told? Is there any thing in the episodes that follow Space Seed or TWOK that are impacted in any serious way by shifting the Eugenics Wars up the time line? @JonnyQuest037 already mentioned it makes Kirk’s line about the 200 years passing since Khan went into cryo make sense. So a positive impact for that line. Are there any negatives? My other question was does the date change alter the actual stories told in Space Seed or TWOK? I don’t see anything that wouldn’t still work.Of course it's impacted. How can it not be?? If people are still interested in more Trek in a few years, I have a feeling they eventually will re-tell TOS. It probably would have been a whole lot easier and less messier just doing a complete reboot of Trek from the start. Which is what I had always hoped for before Discovery. But alas it was not to be.....
Maybe one day .....I will probably be dead. Lol But maybe one day they will just restart Trek without any ties at all from previous series. They would not have to even use old characters.
My question is how does it impact the stories? The ones already told? Is there any thing in the episodes that follow Space Seed or TWOK that are impacted in any serious way by shifting the Eugenics Wars up the time line? @JonnyQuest037 already mentioned it makes Kirk’s line about the 200 years passing since Khan went into cryo make sense. So a positive impact for that line. Are they any negatives? My other question was does the date change alter the actual stories told in Space Seed or TWOK? I don’t see anything that wouldn’t still work.
It's a beautiful arc about Kirk and how he needed guidance to become a leader.I would think the Kelvin movies not having any idea what they're doing shows that to be a dramatically dead end.
Same. It's looking at the details and saying "Well, technically things would shift because obviously we know from time travel that if you alter one thing you alter everything." Which, ok, but makes for a dramatically unsatisfying idea that isn't consistent with what Trek does with time travel. Remove one person from the timeline? Yawn. Move events around so they happen slightly differently with different actors? Boring. Travel back and time and adjust an event due to temporal wars? Well, obviously everything must be different now!My question is how does it impact the stories? The ones already told? Is there any thing in the episodes that follow Space Seed or TWOK that are impacted in any serious way by shifting the Eugenics Wars up the time line? @JonnyQuest037 already mentioned it makes Kirk’s line about the 200 years passing since Khan went into cryo make sense. So a positive impact for that line. Are there any negatives? My other question was does the date change alter the actual stories told in Space Seed or TWOK? I don’t see anything that wouldn’t still work.
The only thing altered is some dates. Everything else unfolds as it did before.Not sure. I mean maybe if TOS is the altered version of events. Maybe no changes. But if it's not I would think things would be significantly different. Was the year ever mentioned in the other shows?? I don't remember. There was a lot of other major events during the 2040's. Wasn't there????
There's attention to detail and there's obsession.Paying attention to details can mean love. Don't always assume hate.![]()
And I've yet to see it expressed in a loving way. It's always comes across like, "That dress on you isn't really that flattering. It was better when you wore that other color" type reaction.There's attention to detail and there's obsession.
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