Spoilers Canon, Continuity, and Pike's Accident

[Nerys Myk]

I thought everybody knew that he signed on for only one season, like Chris Eccleston on DW. He fulfilled the terms of his contract. Was not fired, did not quit.

Yistaan doesn't, even after being told numerous times.

 

[Nerys Myk]

April being Black and younger here, makes sense. If the Eugenics War was pushed by 50 years, entire human families and lineages would be altered.

Don't overthink it.

 

[fireproof78]

Don't overthink it.

Dude, we're way past overthinking in this thread. We crossed that line at warp speed and are in another galaxy at this point, one just further away, not far away, and certainly not far, far away. Somewhere I missed the memo I should care about an actor's race.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Due, we're way past overthinking in this thread. We crossed that line at warp speed and are in another galaxy at this point, one just further away, not far away, and certainly not far, far away. Somewhere I missed the memo I should care about an actor's race.

Hope springs eternal.

 

[fireproof78]

Hope springs eternal.

I'm not even surprised anymore; just disappointed.

 

[TerryTrek]

Don't overthink it.

It's not that complicated. It's quite logical.

 

[Nerys Myk]

It's not that complicated. It's quite logical.

They recast the role. That's all the thinking required.

 

[Tuskin38]

April being Black and younger here, makes sense. If the Eugenics War was pushed by 50 years, entire human families and lineages would be altered.

They recast the role, it has nothing to do with that.

 

[Ovation]

It's not that complicated. It's quite logical.

No, not really. It’s entertainment, not a biology experiment.

 

[fireproof78]

No, not really. It’s entertainment, not a biology experiment.

Awwww...but I did up a Punnet square for just such an occasion!

 

[Mudd]

It's not that complicated. It's quite logical.

It's foolish.

 

[Nerys Myk]

The real question for me is how does this change impact the stories. Is there really any difference between the Eugenics Wars happening in 1992 or 2042 in the terms of story? Are the plots of Space Seed or TWOK altered by that change? Is Khan different. Is his fate somehow altered? Are the events as we know them changed? How about the actions of Kirk and crew? Is here any impact on future stories? I say no. The dates are irrelevant to the story. Chosen because they are/were in out future. Now those dates are are past. So yes, lets move these fictional events up the time. When other dates cross from future into past do the same. Story over "data points".

 

[Ovation]

Story over "data points".

YOU…ARE NOT OF THE BODY. LAWGIVERS…

 

[Mudd]

The real question for me is how does this change impact the stories. Is there really any difference between the Eugenics Wars happening in 1992 or 2042 in the terms of story? Are the plots of Space Seed or TWOK altered by that change? Is Khan different. Is his fate somehow altered? Are the events as we know them changed? How about the actions of Kirk and crew? Is here any impact on future stories? I say no. The dates are irrelevant to the story. Chosen because they are/were in out future. Now those dates are are past. So yes, lets move these fictional events up the time. When other dates cross from future into past do the same. Story over "data points".

Yep.

 

[TerryTrek]

They recast the role. That's all the thinking required.

That's the production reason man.

It's fine to speculate on the in-universe logic of the timeline being shifted and what may have changed.

They've set themselves up for that with this episode, whether intentionally or not.

 

[fireproof78]

So yes, lets move these fictional events up the time. When other dates cross from future into past do the same. Story over "data points".

Exactly so. The rest is tiresome head gymnastics.

 

[James Cole]

It's fine to speculate on the in-universe logic of the timeline being shifted and what may have changed.

They've set themselves up for that with this episode, whether intentionally or not.

Doylist vs Watsonian perspectives in fandom are, again, nothing new. Especially Star Trek with it's chronologies, encyclopedias, technical manuals, wikis...

I've come to the realization that the "real" toxic fans are the ones that enjoy that other fans are upset about changes to long-standing Star Trek canon.

 

[HotRod]

I've come to the realization that the "real" toxic fans are the ones that enjoy that other fans are upset about changes to long-standing Star Trek canon.

I don't enjoy that you get upset over precieved changes to canon. I simply don't care.

That said....

I will say that the overly pedantic side of the fandom is about as annoying and cliche as it gets. They suck all the air out of the room with their obsessiveness over precieved issues.

So I suppose I can admit to enjoying when the "True Fans" aren't being catered too as much as they'd like.

 

[Tallguy]

I will say that the overly pandantic side of the fandom

Pedantic.

 

[Mudd]

I don't enjoy that you get upset over precieved changes to canon. I simply don't care.

That said....

I will say that the overly pandantic side of the fandom is about as annoying and cliche as it gets. They suck all the air out of the room with their obsessiveness over precieved issues.

So I suppose I can admit to enjoying when the "True Fans" aren't being catered too as much as they'd like.

Yep.