Spoilers Canon, Continuity, and Pike's Accident

[Tallguy]

Just because we can do something, does it mean we should?

No, Doctor Malcolm.

 

[Commander Troi]

Sure. Why not? Some day they will make another Indiana Jones movie. It might be a REALLY long time from now. Who knows?

They're making more Perry Masons. They just made an inexplicably old Philip Marlow.

Characters that have multiple stories can / should have multiple actors. It's only because it's FILM that we think "Nobody can play that part ever again." I mean, someone can TRY to make Casablanca again. I wouldn't advise it. But if they do not having the CG-reanimated corpse of Bogey will not be why they have a problem.

So far I have not been impressed with Paul Wesley not because he's not Bill Shatner but because he's not (so far) a very good James Kirk. (Fingers crossed for S2.) Chris Pine is an amazing Kirk. I really really enjoy Peck's Spock. And Mount is my platonic ideal of a starship captain at the moment.

The one tiny niche carve out exception I've thought of is Rogue One. Because it's really supposed to be the long prologue to Star Wars. It's a kind of magic trick. But it should be the exception not the rule.

OTOH, I think they absolutely should have recast Carrie Fisher for The Rise of Skywalker because not doing so hurt the story and the character. It was to be Leia's movie the way The Force Awakens was Han's and The Last Jedi's was Luke's. We're sorry that Carrie wasn't around to see it but sorrier still that neither did we.

Watching The Old Man with Jeff Bridges and John Lithgow I might consider for a moment that the actors they have cast as the "young" versions are not what I remember these men looking like in the 1990s. (Well, the Bridges character. The young Lithgow is SPOOKY.) But after that I watch the show and count my lucky stars that they didn't try any CG trickery.

Good points. I really enjoy the new Perry Mason. I had no idea there was a new Marlowe movie.

I too hope for more from Paul Wesley (and/or the writers) in Season 2. There was something... a spark maybe... missing from his performance in A Quality of Mercy. Since I've never seen Wesley in anything else before, I couldn't tell if it was him or the writing or just something about how it came across.

I never thought about recasting Leia in RoS, but you're right. I'd like to have seen the film as originally envisioned. Leia - as a character - deserved better.

I hated the deepfake of Carrie in Rogue One (even though I love the movie) and felt they should have just had the voice and maybe the back of her. But I had no problem with "de-aging" Luke in TLJ because it worked well for the story they were doing.

Maybe I just don't like deepfakes of dead people. It feels like graverobbing. I've felt that way ever since they had Astaire dancing with a vacuum.

Since you're watching The Old Man, I'm guessing it's as good as something with Bridges and Lithgow should be.

It used to be normal to cast different actors as younger versions of characters and we all survived it just fine. Just because they can use tech doesn't mean it's the best choice for the movie/show. I hope directors start figuring that out soon and doing *what's best for the story* rather than "gee, wouldn't this be cool."

 

[Richard S. Ta]

There were many places where TOS did not look as expensive as the sets of today. I don't think the Enterprise sets are one of those places.

I agree. But then, there are many planets and other environments that are quite obviously not 'real'.

I don't want my entertainment to be real. Real is what I live everyday and it's shit.

 

[Tallguy]

Real is what I live everyday and it's shit.

It's the only place you can get a decent meal.

 

[Richard S. Ta]

It's the only place you can get a decent meal.

And a haircut I suppose...

 

[Mudd]

The TOS Enterprise sets were persuasive in 1966.

You can go to Udvar-Hazy and see computer and control stations from the 50s that look something like the bridge stations on TOS, in that there's as much carpentry as wiring involved in their design and construction.



But that was 1966.

 

[Tuskin38]

Well the SNW sets certianlly don't look real. They look fantastical, and nice.

 

[Tallguy]

Well the SNW sets certianlly don't look real. They look fantastical, and nice.

I was looking for a good way to put that. Thanks.

 

[Racefuel]

the bridge "feels" real, at least to me. Engineering is where it starts getting fantastical, as it should.

 

[Mudd]

the bridge "feels" real, at least to me. Engineering is where it starts getting fantastical, as it should.

This is the most real the Enterprise bridge has ever seemed to me. I have quibbles. By definition they are trivial.

 

[Racefuel]

This is the most real the Enterprise bridge has ever seemed to me. I have quibbles. By definition they are trivial.

I would say the only bridge that feels more "real" is the E-A from TUC.

But yes, of the series bridges, across any Enterprise or hero ship, this is the best.

 

[Mudd]

I liked the ST:TFF bridge better than any of the other movie bridges. So of course it didn't last.

 

[HotRod]

The Strange New Worlds bridge is easily my favourite, but I'll always have a soft spot for the bridge of the NX-01.

 

[Tuskin38]

my favourite Enterprise bridges are the ones from ST5 and 6.
I really like that era of LCARS too.

But the SNW enterprise bridge is pretty close, if they would get rid of the lights in the rails.

 

[fireproof78]

I would say the only bridge that feels more "real" is the E-A from TUC.

But yes, of the series bridges, across any Enterprise or hero ship, this is the best.

This is my feel as well. This bridge is one that I feel like I can walk on, touch it, look at it and understand what is there. I felt the same way with the Kelvin Enterprise Bridge and that appeal is here too.

 

[Tallguy]

if they would get rid of the lights in the rails.

If...

 

[HotRod]

This is my feel as well. This bridge is one that I feel like I can walk on, touch it, look at it and understand what is there. I felt the same way with the Kelvin Enterprise Bridge and that appeal is here too.

Can't say I care much for the Kelvin Enterprise Bridge. Not enough colour for my taste. But the Bridge of the actual USS Kelvin is easily in my top 5.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

Personally, I was bowled over during the entire Kelvin sequence (prologue to STXI). I thought it was astonishing, a high watermark for Trek on film.

But I digress.

 

[fireproof78]

Can't say I care much for the Kelvin Enterprise Bridge. Not enough colour for my taste. But the Bridge of the actual USS Kelvin is easily in my top 5.

Not a matter of color, at least for me. It's a matter of feeling like I can walk in, get oriented quickly and feel like I can work in that environment. Which I feel with TOS, USS KELVIN, SNW and Kelvin Enterprise.

 

[HotRod]

Personally, I was bowled over during the entire Kelvin sequence (prologue to STXI). I thought it was astonishing, a high watermark for Trek on film.

But I digress.

In my opinion, the first few minutes of that film were the best minutes of Star Trek ever put into theaters, either before or since.