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Bullying In Society

Angela 0077

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-IUSZyjiYuY&feature=avmsc2

Well l would like to start a thread about the way we treat each other not only on the internet but in real life.
Has anyone been a victim in these areas.
How did you feel.
How did you handle it.
I know of a alot of cases where people have tried to be excepted but cant because they are judged for what ever reason.
Because of the way we look or the group we fit in.
Some dont fit anywhere even if they try hard in trying to talk about things other as a group might be interested in.

There have been a few incidences where a person has been drawn to the edge because of this kind of thing or commited sucide.
 
Bullying is EVIL and it has lots of consequences in our society. The fact that a blind eye is turned to it is a serious moral failing.
 
I agree, bullying is evil, if we did more as a society to stop kids from doing it at an early age things would improve.
 
I live near South Hadley MA where bullying was invented this year when a girl killed herself because she had mental issues and slept around so people bullied her. Now several students are going on trial for insanely stupid reasons, yet none of the adults are. The kids are just escape goats, the parents are the ones that failed their child.

Bullying is horrible, but that's part of life. You don't kill yourself over it.
 
Basically, I agree with the comment from StarryEyed. That pretty much sums it up. Bullying is indeed a big problem, and I simply don't accept that it's "part of life" or it's "kids being kids". We all have a responsibility to one another- and parents have a particular responsibility to ensure their children treat others well. Part of the problem, I think, is that parents seem to so rarely treat their children well. I doubt the kids ever truly know any real stability or security, and when you cross insecurity or lack of esteem with a culture that promotes competition and a general negative attitude, then all they know is how to deflect their frustrations and self-loathing onto others.

I see it in so many young people around me - they spend their time in public projecting a mask, because they're just too frightened to do anything other than sneer at the world around them. And in groups, they spend all their time with so called "friends" swearing and snapping at one another, even physically scuffling. Like a pack of ill-trained dogs, not as actual connected people. And they're so frightened. Never relaxed, always with their shields up. It's like they're not even truly there; they have to keep up this constant flow of aggression and disdain if they want to feel the slightest bit secure, and that means absolutely no self-reflection or self-understanding. Just keep that shield up. And then they pass it on to younger children who emulate them.

I once had the particularly unfortunate experience of observing bully-in-training. Two rather unpleasant girls from around my way (this was a few years back) decided to have the general mock-and-insult run on me (it was quite literally a daily thing- often many times a day- to have people my age go out of their way to be generally unpleasant to me. But I don't want to get bogged down in that). Well, they had the little brother of one with them, and he was, basically, learning how to bully. He copied their behaviour- grinning when they did, so on. But then his grin would fall, he'd look really uncertain and somewhat lost. I felt so sorry for him. And it really drove home that bullying is NOT some sort of instinctive "kids are cruel" activity. The vast majority of children treat others well, form healthy social networks- if they're allowed to. But this little boy wasn't being allowed to, and it was clearly confusing him. But he was eager to copy the behaviour of the older kids, like any child. He was clearly embracing the "lessons" even as they confused him. He was learning from his sisters, learning how to be the bully and mock and aggress unprovoked, and I have no doubt he grew into it. It likely comes as naturally to him now as it did in the end to his sister and the other girl.

Sorry to get a bit poetic there. I suppose I can only repeat my opinion that, yes, it's a big problem.
 
I have found that a good, hearty, "Fuck YOU, asshole; you're not my boss!", delivered in front of several witnesses, tends to shut up workplace bullies. Well, unless the bully in question is your boss. Then you're hosed.

It probably has the side-effect of making you look a little deranged but that might be beneficial when other bullies contemplate trying to make you a victim.

And I would like to point out that Bill Gates probably spent a considerable period of his high school life crammed inside a locker. Look at him now, though.

Living well is the best revenge.
 
Bullying is omnipresent in Human cultures; it's just a matter of the degree of pressure. Conformity is, and always has been, a major problem, and conformity is the result of peer pressure-- a socially acceptable form of bullying. Since we're going through a phase of such negativism and extremism, I have no doubt that bullying is consequently more of a problem as well.
 
A little conformity is good...after all, a society functions best when everyone follows the law. But too much conformity can be a bad thing.

Just ask the Republicans. And that's all I'm gonna say about that.

Bullying to get conformity? That's OK in boot camp; in fact, it's expected. But everyday bullying? That's more of an indicator that the bully doesn't have their shit together but is deflecting the issue by making other people appear to not have their shit together. When, in fact, the bullied generally have it together more than most, despite the circumstances.

For all of you who were bullied in grade school through high school, let me just say that time and real-life are the great levelers of the playing field. I had my 25th year class reunion last year and I was amazed how many of the cheerleader and jocks had turned out horribly, and how many of the wallflowers and nerds (myself included) turned out not too badly. And I'll match my W-2 up against anyone from my h.s. graduating class.
 
Bullying to get conformity? That's OK in boot camp; in fact, it's expected.

Sure, if your intent is to turn humans into killing (and dying) machines. Oh wait, that is the intent. :lol:

It's funny actually that we have boot camps where bullying tactics are used to turn ordinary men into effective killers but are shocked when the same effect occurs in high schools.
 
Bullying is omnipresent in Human cultures; it's just a matter of the degree of pressure. Conformity is, and always has been, a major problem, and conformity is the result of peer pressure-- a socially acceptable form of bullying. Since we're going through a phase of such negativism and extremism, I have no doubt that bullying is consequently more of a problem as well.

Very well said.
 
^^ Thank you.

A little conformity is good...after all, a society functions best when everyone follows the law. But too much conformity can be a bad thing.
An organized society requires cooperation, but not necessarily conformity.
 
No you need conformity,, if there weren't conformity there would be obediance and if there weren't obediance then no one wud learn anything, for exampe a child obey there parent and conforms to the rules set by the parent, for example in not crossing the street when the man is red.
 
I've been bullied for practically my whole school life, though it was worse in Junior High and High School. The problem with the people bullying, is they often, more than likely, have problems at home and show a genuine lack of respect towards people, and in turn cause emotional trauma to the victim. One guy in particular while I was in Junior High, had a history. He'd been in juvenile detention, and he kept getting bounced from school to school. The school board didn't know what to do with him. They knew he was trouble.

Well, I'm a short guy, and he was tall. He gave me the creeps and would make my skin crawl. He would be staring right into me with sinister eyes and spit on me. No, I kid you not. I had a few encounters with him. When I went to high school, he also ended up there. Tried to ignore him, but there's only so much you can do when someone goes out of his way to make you feel miserable. He also had friends that would bully me too.

There was that one time where I was minding my own business trying to get to my classes when he cornered me and pulled down my pants. And another when in science class, and our task that day was to melt glass tubes down and shape them. He thought it would be hilarious to poke me with his hot piece of glass. Luckily, I had thick pants on that day, because you could see a huge burn mark where he had burned me on them.

Fast forward to many years later, and I'm watching the local news, the story being about a stabbing that happened at a movie theatre due to some argument. Guess who was the stabbee? Shock came to me as I realized I knew this person. It had hit me so close to home.

Bullies only live in the "now". They never think of the repercussions of their actions, while the victims have to deal with the emotional scars for the rest of their lives.
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4L9V_ovBfj4

This is a fight which was in a school.
I have seen a few of these filmed by students on the news.
These guys film what they are doing then post it on the internet on Myspace or facebook.
Instead of helping the student they encourage the bully to fight as you will see on the clip.
If the teachers try to help bty getting these guys in a headlock or try something to stop they get into trouble.
Even girls who bully will get into a fight over the most basic thing one was over a ball.
This girl was left with a broken nose and a few other injurys
Poeple have the right to feel safe where ever they are.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7LD-e3GZstM&feature=related.
 
Throughout my time in public school, a lot of other guys tried to bully me. I refused to either change myself or take their crap. This lead to many a fist fights.

"Bullying" as a "social problem" is mostly a load of crap. A bully exists because:
A) if you have the strength you can physically force people to your will. This will not change. No matter how enlightened you are, if you're weaker than me, I can (at my leisure) make you do what I want.
B) No support structure at home. In fact, a lot of these kids lash out because their broken home had much of the same, or the parents just don't give a ####, or even worse encourage it explicitly or implicitly.

Given that (A) is part of the nature of our existence, the answer relies on (B). Poor parents create child monsters. You cannot replace parenting with zero tolerance school policies. Kick the kid out and he'll just wait for school to let out and harass people back in his neighborhood. Jail just makes them better at ####ing with people.

It's late, so this was a bit of a ramble, so my point is this: bullying is not a problem. It is a symptom of something larger. You cannot "solve" bullying in a vacuum. You can't really solve it at all. You have to fix the home, and the home will take care of bullying, street gangs, and small children that throw tantrums in public. It all leads back to the parents.

P.S. I have no idea why the heck there's a discussion of conformity in relation to the OP. That has nothing to do with bullying. In fact, it's the utterly screwed up upbringing that causes the problem.
 
When I was in high school I had several run-ins with this moron who took exception to having to attend the same school with a kid in a wheelchair. He and two of his friends decided to make my life a living hell. At first, I just tried to ignore them, but after a while, their behavior started to grate on me. One day, they decided they were gonna slap me around, and when they tried, they were surprised when I fought back. The instigator tried to punch me in the face, but, sitting down, I was able to duck that with no trouble, and when was regaining his balance in mid-swing, I slammed into him with my wheelchair. The impact wasn't too powerful, but it did knock him down. One of his buddies was surprised I was able to defend myself, and at the same time, decided to switch sides, and he ended up helping me chase his friends off. The other two never bullied me again, and he and I were friends for several years after that.
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-IUSZyjiYuY&feature=avmsc2

Well l would like to start a thread about the way we treat each other not only on the internet but in real life.
Has anyone been a victim in these areas.
How did you feel.
How did you handle it.
I know of a alot of cases where people have tried to be excepted but cant because they are judged for what ever reason.
Because of the way we look or the group we fit in.
Some dont fit anywhere even if they try hard in trying to talk about things other as a group might be interested in.

There have been a few incidences where a person has been drawn to the edge because of this kind of thing or commited sucide.


More people in this world need to be dicks.

Seriously.

Bullies like to pick on the weak. If they pick on you and you say nothing and show your fear, they will keep doing it. If they try to pick on you and you fire right back, they will know not to mess with you.

I don't mean people should go around being an asshole 24/7 but don't go cowering in the corner when someone says something to you.

People love to feel powerful. Don't let them get that feeling.
 
The smartest thing to do is to avoid arguments and fights all together if you can. Focus on the positive and ignore the idiots. Don't let negative comments effect you. And if they want to get up in your face and fight... there is a smarter way to deal with them instead of punching them in the head. Sure, there is self defense, but there is also common sense (using tactics of peace and cooperation), too.
 
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