Spoilers Batwoman - Season 2

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  1. TREK_GOD_1

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    Season 2 - Episode 5 - "Gore on Canvas"

    Luke Fox:
    He should have thought twice about Wilder committing a weighty crime--like art theft--even for information that might lead to Kate, as her scattered emotions about the Crows (and the fact they have a standing vendetta against anyone calling themselves "Batwoman,") was a disaster (or failure) waiting to happen.

    Wilder/BW2: "This is a one-off...we're not partners." Her incessant bad attitude toward Sophie--who is trying to find Kate--makes her seem petty. She admits she's not widely accepted as Batwoman, so by now, she should have swallowed that and attempted to at least make her costumed life easier by not antagonizing the Crows. Her personal issues threaten to corrupt the image of the costumed side.

    "You two listen!" Ridiculous; Wilder wearing the Bat-suit does not grant instant wisdom or investigative skills, nor does it earn trust in her frankly poor judgement. ..and yes, she most certainly needs Luke's approval.

    Safiyah / Alice / Ocean: "Ocean" played Alice like a fiddle, then knocked her out with ease, which was one of the most realistic outcomes of a fight on this series, as she's not some street-battle hardened fighter (which includes getting used to taking blows to the head). It was fun to hear him dress down Alice's unprofessional attempt to stalk / kill him. In his flash of memory, he told Safiyah that he has "something" Safiyah cannot--not having anything to do with the flower..

    So, it turns out he had the real Napier painting, with the map back to Discount Themyscira...with Alice, who still has a desire to kill Kate. One wonders if Ocean will even make it back to the island, and in the event he does, find himself a victim to Safiyah's henchmen (attempting to protect Alice?), or Alice, who will use anyone to get to Kate before anyone else.

    Interesting that Alice had a romantic relationship with Ocean. That's a plot thread that should be explored, as it might provide more insight on the woman she used to be before becoming a mass murderer.

    Jacob / Sophie: The showrunners have Jacob behaving in a far too reckless manner. Yeah, he is desperate to find Kate, but where were his cop instincts while he walked into a trap? Batwoman mouths off to Sophie about seeing "who gets there first" regarding Coryana. Did BW forget that Sophie is actively working with Luke to find the location of Safiyah's island? Further, BW is quite naive if she thinks force has never been a component of police interrogations. Hell, both Batwomen used force to obtain information from suspects, so she's close to crushing her soapbox with that boulder of hypocrisy she's carrying.

    The Collective: Aside from the annoying Evan, who was clearly the thief, the showrunners were being cringe worthy again with the argument between the two Crows agents who chased and sideswiped Evan. As the Crows' driver pointed out, the target was acquired, and if he had not swiped Evan, the painting would have been lost forever.

    NOTES:

    The idea of Wilder going for so long with an open wound caused by Kryptonite and saying nothing about it is absolutely unbelievable. If the series wanted to play her situation realistically, Wilder would end up discovering she's slowly dying, or perhaps the Kryptonite might cause other mutations that cannot be cured (and no one in the main cast should know anything about providing a medical counter to the effects of the Kryptonite).

    I noticed Javicia Leslie cannot run at all--she moves like someone struggling to move after recovering from a bad hip injury. Not sure if its the boots (perhaps she's not used to wearing boots while running), or its her own lack of physicality, but she needs to work on developing a dramatic way of running.

    GRADE: C.
     
  2. ToddKent

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    I think the point was that it was clearly excessive force. The guy was stealing a painting, there was no need use lethal means to take him down.
     
  3. Christopher

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    It is totally ridiculous to say "if he had not swiped Evan, the painting would have been lost forever." I mean, really, what??? It's not like he was five seconds from being teleported away. He was an ordinary human being on a wide-open, empty runway, and they were in a car. There was no possible way he could've escaped them, nowhere to escape to. They could've just kept pace with him until he got too tired to keep running. There was zero urgency there.

    Really, I have to wonder if he even had an escape strategy thought out. Just steal a painting in plain sight and run toward a completely open runway, hoping nobody would follow him? There was no possible way he could have escaped. It was a really stupid plan. Clearly he's just a prankster whose attempt at art theft was way out of his league. So of course it wasn't necessary to use violence to thwart him. He was thwarting himself through his own inept planning.

    Anyway, the Dickensian coincidences continue. The guy with a connection to the "Napier" painting the Crows are seeking just happens to be an old friend of Kate's, and just happens to be the costumed adventurer of the week.

    Still, it's nice to see an episode confronting the Crows' methods from the perspective of those most victimized by them, and nice to see a reminder that Luke has reason to hate the Crows too. Although I'm not impressed by the show's attempt to claim that there's some moral difference between starving a captive for information and beating him for it. They're both forms of torture, and I really wish fiction would stop perpetuating the myth that torture is an effective means of gaining information, rather than an actively counterproductive one.

    I wondered briefly if Alice's memory flashes about Ocean might be some pre-Crisis memories leaking through or something, but I don't see why that would be happening to her, let alone to Ocean, so it's probably just a memory wipe like Alice said.

    When the assassins asked Alice "Where's Ocean?", I expected her to say something like "I don't know, but probably not on dry land."
     
  4. TREK_GOD_1

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    Sigh.

    Evan's physical abilities--from the opening of the episode to the theft of the painting clearly presented him as being more than some simple cat burglar. He was damn near sold as Spider-Man Light. Bottom line, the Crows had their orders / priority, and it was not Evan, so its beyond silly to think the Crows were going to just let him--with what Jacob and Sophie believed was the map leading to Kate--slip out of their hands.
     
  5. ToddKent

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    So did you disagree with the firing of those two Crows?
     
  6. dahj

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    It's usually easy to guess that the mystery costumed person is the one guest star on that week's episode, but Wolf Spider did so many flips I thought he might be Roy Harper there for a second. :D
     
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    That was the writers having the Crows act only thanks to Batwoman's complaint, which, as I stated before is hypocritical, since both Batwomen did not have issues using physical violence to apprehend or even question suspects, and whether they know it or not, Batwoman is seen and acts as an agent of the law.
     
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    The walking dead shows are still on...that’s still a thing?
     
  11. Enterprise is Great

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    The Walking Dead doesn’t get anywhere near the viewing numbers it used to.
     
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    Or does it premiere before May?

    Way too many shows on at the same time. I think they (esp. BATWOMAN) could have gotten better ratings had they spread it out
     
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    It really isn't because The CW's business model isn't driven by overnight ratings; it's driven by the overall number of views across multiple platforms.
     
  15. TREK_GOD_1

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    Overall, they still leave the CW-DC shows in the rear view mirror where ratings are concerned.
     
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  16. dahj

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    It doesn't.
     
  17. Enterprise is Great

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    TWD starts this Sunday but it’s only 6 episodes so it’ll be over before May 2. The next (and final season) of The Walking Dead doesn’t have a premiere date yet. By the time it airs Batwoman may not even overlap it. Nothing to worry about yet.
     
  18. Samurai8472

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    Batwoman/Ruby Rose has been edited out of Crisis Promos on CW Brasil - Brazil

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  19. Christopher

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    That's weird. Why edit her out?

    It's frustrating that just after the League is founded, one of its founding members (Batwoman) is replaced as the lead of her show, and three of the others (Supergirl, Martian Manhunter, and Black Lightning) have their shows ending. So if we ever do see it again, it'll be with a very different team composition.
     
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  20. dahj

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    Not necessarily. If they do another Justice League level crossover down the line they could always bring them back to guest star for the arc. Probably not Kate though.