Arrow - The Final Season
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I thought it was great. I loved the look of the set pieces. And the tone felt like a mishmash of typical modern stuff with something pulled from the late 90s. I'll be disappointed if it doesn't get picked up.
And I think it's a mistake to think of it as a new show. It's really just a glorified law/medical procedural type of cast reshuffle.
And I had no idea Juli could sing like that. Damn!
And I think it's a mistake to think of it as a new show. It's really just a glorified law/medical procedural type of cast reshuffle.
And I had no idea Juli could sing like that. Damn!
Will I watch it if it gets picked up? Yes. Will I be sad or disappointed if it doesn’t? No.
It was fairly decent but it's really not something I want to commit to. It's more of the whole I'm super-heroed out rather than the quality of the show. I do think the chemistry between Dinah, Mia, and Laural was great though. Mia really has come a long way since we first saw her.
When I first heard of the this potential show, I didn't have much interest. These are all supporting characters that aren't strong enough on their own. However, I admit that I liked this episode.
I was a little unclear about Dinah--so this was 2020 Dinah somehow deposited in 2040? And Laurel is a time traveler?
Why would Laurel even be "woken up?"
And again, I have an issue with that as well, since there is no reason these people should be able to access their former life, since their former life wasn't rewritten--it just never happened.
I guess I have to put that aside and just go with it, but the logic isn't there.
I think they really need to do something to get the characters in line with the audience. They also need more expository dialogue to get through the changes on Earth Prime. It's a bit odd that on some shows, everything is exactly the same.
I had zero interest in Batwoman, the last new show they premiered. I was pleased that I didn't need to watch that show to be ok with Crisis. I have a lot of interest in Superman, due to him being my favorite hero, but am concerned about it due to the way he has been written. Stargirl is a character I have little knowledge of, but so far, the previews look like I will definitely give it a chance.
If this show gets picked up, based on last night's episode, I would definitely watch with interest to start. However, unlike say, Superman, I'm not feeling like this show is needed or important. It uses side characters and takes place 20 years in the future. There are so many other DC characters I'd rather see brought to life. However, I liked what I watched last night.
I was a little unclear about Dinah--so this was 2020 Dinah somehow deposited in 2040? And Laurel is a time traveler?
Why would Laurel even be "woken up?"
And again, I have an issue with that as well, since there is no reason these people should be able to access their former life, since their former life wasn't rewritten--it just never happened.
I guess I have to put that aside and just go with it, but the logic isn't there.
I think they really need to do something to get the characters in line with the audience. They also need more expository dialogue to get through the changes on Earth Prime. It's a bit odd that on some shows, everything is exactly the same.
I had zero interest in Batwoman, the last new show they premiered. I was pleased that I didn't need to watch that show to be ok with Crisis. I have a lot of interest in Superman, due to him being my favorite hero, but am concerned about it due to the way he has been written. Stargirl is a character I have little knowledge of, but so far, the previews look like I will definitely give it a chance.
If this show gets picked up, based on last night's episode, I would definitely watch with interest to start. However, unlike say, Superman, I'm not feeling like this show is needed or important. It uses side characters and takes place 20 years in the future. There are so many other DC characters I'd rather see brought to life. However, I liked what I watched last night.
I was thinking about Baby Sara last night. Flashpoint turned her into JJ. Crisis turned him back to Sara and we saw they had two kids. I assumed Sara and the adopted Connor. Even if it is a second biological child they named JJ it would still be a different human altogether. Or maybe I assumed totally wrong
I kinda had the same reaction. I like Laurel-2, Dinah, and Mia well enough, but they and adult JJ are not the most compelling cast members in the franchise, and I'm lukewarm on the premise. I mean, if Star City is perfect now aside from one conspiracy, how much is a team of vigilantes really needed? And how plausible is it that a single conspiracy could drag Star City back down from crime-free paradise to chaotic hellhole in just one year, all because Mia Queen Failed This City?
It could have potential if they build a larger team, play up the Birds of Prey elements they're going for (as long as they do it better than the previous series of that name did). Maybe train Bianca Bertinelli as the new Huntress. With the Bat-mythos fully integrated now, they could maybe recruit a next-generation Oracle (though it seems William would probably be the Felicity Jr. of the team, unless what happened to him here proves fatal).
I think the "Clock Tower" apartment was a redress of the swanky-apartment set that various Arrow characters have been living in over the past bunch of seasons -- the one that had that incongruous translight of the Manhattan skyline out its windows.
No, that was both JJ and Sara. Flashpoint didn't "turn" Sara into JJ; it created an alternate timeline in which Diggle and Lyla conceived a month later and thus had JJ instead of Sara.
Of course, the same woman can't have two kids a month apart, so that does raise some questions, but it is supposed to be the restored Sara Diggle alongside John Diggle Jr., essentially the same people as before. With comic-booky timeline rewrites, anything is possible.
It's an interesting question as to what exactly happened. Spectre is essentially the hand of God. Maybe through Oliver, God recreated Earth Prime and made some adjustments that favored Oliver's personal connections, and it would certainly be understandable if Sara's return was part of that.
No, Lyla couldn't have children one month a part, but she could have twins, and why couldn't JJ and Sara be twins?
Regarding JJ "waking up," if he has his new memories, he would be torn. Life made JJ evil in the original timeline. But things changed. Maybe having Sara made him a better man. Even getting those bad memories back should not make him evil again.
Well, there really wasn't much backdoor about this backdoor pilot. Seriously, as series finales go, this wasn't one.
That said, taking it as what it really is, the first episode of the new series, it was alright. Will probably need a little to find its mojo, as it's not quite there yet, but that's with most shows, Arrowverse very much included.
That said, taking it as what it really is, the first episode of the new series, it was alright. Will probably need a little to find its mojo, as it's not quite there yet, but that's with most shows, Arrowverse very much included.
The only thing required to make something a backdoor pilot is that it's produced as an episode of an existing series rather than as a standalone production. And that's what this was.
Stephen Amell had a panic attack that knocked him about while doing a podcast with Michael Rosenbaum.
Seems that that Arrow ending has hit him harder than expected and he let things go a bit as after 8 years of having to keep his physical fitness up and hit him all at once.
https://www.msn.com/en-ca/entertain...cast-i-was-just-done/ar-BBZcMuZ?ocid=msedgdhp
Seems that that Arrow ending has hit him harder than expected and he let things go a bit as after 8 years of having to keep his physical fitness up and hit him all at once.
https://www.msn.com/en-ca/entertain...cast-i-was-just-done/ar-BBZcMuZ?ocid=msedgdhp
Wow. He always seems like such a calm, together guy when he's on camera (out of character). Well, I know how deceptive that can be, since I can seem pretty calm and together before an audience even though I'm often a neurotic mess by myself.
Interesting that it was partly letting go of his relentless fitness regimen that threw him off psychologically and emotionally, I guess throwing his neurochemistry out of whack. More proof that exercise is good for mental as well as physical health. Get that man on a salmon ladder, stat!
Thanks for the correction. I might have missed it.
It's also on an hour later. The first hour will be a retrospective, followed by the final episode.
I don't think I am going to watch the spin-off which will be the first Arrowverse show I basically drop. I am already getting kind of burned out on to much Arrowverse stuff and I find Olivers's daughter to be super boring. If they wanted to continue the Green Oliver character they should have went with Thea,his other sister he killed(which can be changed of course because of Crisis) or John Diggle.
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I liked it, hope it gets picked up.
One tiny gripe is I wish they didn't wake up JJ and instead just started building this future world with a (fairly) clean slate. I mean, it's obviously inevitable that things from Arrow were bound to pop up once in a while but if it's gonna pull too much and build directly on it it then might as well just call it Arrow Season 9.
One tiny gripe is I wish they didn't wake up JJ and instead just started building this future world with a (fairly) clean slate. I mean, it's obviously inevitable that things from Arrow were bound to pop up once in a while but if it's gonna pull too much and build directly on it it then might as well just call it Arrow Season 9.
I see it more as a matter of the future scenes from Arrow being an extended backdoor pilot for GA&tC. After all, it's not like they ever had any real connection to the present-day Arrow narrative until Mia et al. were swept back to the present.
Boy that first teaser of Stephen climbing the salmon ladder doesn't seem all that long ago.
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