Discovery Season 3.
A young lieutenant Kirk(Amell) joins the crew on temporary duty.
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Discovery Season 3.
A young lieutenant Kirk(Amell) joins the crew on temporary duty.
You heard it here first!
I'd like to see the former, but I think it's unlikely that they'll change the format that much. He'll probably resume the hood, which could be interesting with his identity publicly known now.
Discovery Season 3.
A young lieutenant Kirk(Amell) joins the crew on temporary duty.
You heard it here first!
The problem there is that Amell is currently 37, the age Shatner was at the start of TOS season 3. Presuming DSC season 3 takes place in 2259, Kirk would be only 26.
The other problem is that The CW is probably going to keep Arrow around as long as Supernatural if they can, so he's unlikely to be available.
Which is probably the biggest reason I want Ollie to be Green Arrow again. To see how that would work out.
The curse of Star City's mayors continues.
Season 2: Sebastian Blood, Altman - Murdererd
Season 3: Celia Castle - Murdered
Season 4: Ruve Darhk - Murdered
Season 5: Oliver Queen - Impeached
Season 6: Quentin Lance - Murdered
I will miss out Detective/Captain/Mayor Lance.
Good finale. Trouble finally caught up with Ollie.
Season 2: Sebastian Blood, Altman - Murdererd
Season 3: Celia Castle - Murdered
Season 4: Ruve Darhk - Murdered
Season 5: Oliver Queen - Impeached
Season 6: Quentin Lance - Murdered
I will miss out Detective/Captain/Mayor Lance.
Good finale. Trouble finally caught up with Ollie.
I thought you meant "alderman" at first, Blood's pre-mayoral title, but yeah, turns out the mayor who was assassinated to open the door for Alderman Blood's mayoral campaign was named Altman. Odd, that.
Honestly..he should have been wearing it from the get-go...rather than (or in addition to)a mask...the fake goatee we recently found out about would have been a better disguise
Didn't he already wear the classic Green Arrow outfit at a costume party way back in season 1? Though in-story it was a Robin Hood costume.
I think that was Justin Hartley on Smallville. Though it's been years since I watched Arrow season 1, so it might be they did it, too, and I've just forgotten.
I finally caught up on this season. A few things:
1. A politician needs to be convicted in an impeachment trial in order to be removed from office. Being "impeached" just means being formally charged.
2. Diggle was such a jerk this season. Did he ever even directly apologize for blaming William's mother's death on Oliver not being a better hero? Or blaming Oliver for all the other deaths in the city by murderous thugs? Dude, that happened on your watch too.
3. I get that Oliver can be a difficult leader, but Team Mini-Arrow was really getting on my nerves with their self-righteousness.
4. Here's a basic plot point that nobody seemed to care about: how long is Oliver's prison sentence? 5 years? Life in prison? It's a fairly important detail.
5. I get that they want to make Oliver's sacrifice look noble, but it would have been nice if Oliver admitted that maybe...just maybe...he deserved a few years in prison for murdering all those people. Instead, his "penance" is for not being an effective enough super-hero.
6. It seemed pretty easy for Oliver to get Anatoly back in the good graces of the Bratva. Is there some reason why he didn't do so a year ago?
7. Is Argus a public government agency in 2018? It's hard to keep track. Lyla seemed fine with presenting herself as "head of a federal agency" when going to the police station. If so, she should probably have had enough public leverage to get the FBI to help without Oliver sacrificing himself.
8. What ever happened to those investors that Felicity bilked out of millions? Have Felicity and Curtis really not bothered to work on anything for months? It's no wonder Palmer Tech went under... Do not trust Felicity Smoak with money!
9. Why are Felicity and William the only ones getting Argus protection? Shouldn't Wild Dog and his daughter get some coverage? And they should all be investing in bullet-proof glass at this point.
10. Diaz's "escape" was really ridiculous. Even alt-Laurel should have known better.
11. The Quadrant was pathetic. Also, there's no way Diaz compromised a national network of criminals that quickly. He would have needed months or years (on the inside) to gain leverage over all the people in that organization (assuming it really was as powerful and far reaching as Diaz claimed).
12. It took a while for Oliver to come up with the idea of Diggle and Oliver both acting as Green Arrow. Personally, I would have gone with a dark blue suit for Diggle. They could have been partners as Green Arrow and Blue Arrow (unless there's some sort of trademark issue with "Blue Arrow").
13. Why didn't the news stations get a copy of the proof that those two fired public officials were in Diaz's pocket? Also, I don't get why Oliver needed to admit that the information came from Green Arrow. He could have just leaked the information to the press. It's a bit weird to think only Oliver had access to that information or, even if he did, that he would have to be Green Arrow to want to find that information.
14. Diaz was getting pretty brazen with his control of the Star City police force. One would think the Team could have just set up a few camera to catch the police following Diaz's orders.
15. Speaking of "Star City": the end of the season had a few references to "Starling City" places like "Starling City Hospital." Did they really not rename the hospital, or are we back to calling it Starling City?
16. Am I just behind on the tech? It seems weird that Felicity is able to copy an inactive flash drive from a few feet away.
17. As usual: it's a bit hard to justify the lack of the Flash, Supergirl, or Legends helping out Oliver.
18. Has Cisco really never given Oliver an emergency interdimensional portal? It might have come in handy during the 'dying of smoke' scene. They could have even stuck around until the file was decrypted and then escaped via the portal.
19. I agree that it was odd to think Oliver disconnecting himself from his allies was the solution against Diaz (who seems to constantly be recruiting new people into his army).
20. I hope Sara makes a comment to Diggle and Lyla about Argus becoming a dystopian nightmare in the future.
1. A politician needs to be convicted in an impeachment trial in order to be removed from office. Being "impeached" just means being formally charged.
2. Diggle was such a jerk this season. Did he ever even directly apologize for blaming William's mother's death on Oliver not being a better hero? Or blaming Oliver for all the other deaths in the city by murderous thugs? Dude, that happened on your watch too.
3. I get that Oliver can be a difficult leader, but Team Mini-Arrow was really getting on my nerves with their self-righteousness.
4. Here's a basic plot point that nobody seemed to care about: how long is Oliver's prison sentence? 5 years? Life in prison? It's a fairly important detail.
5. I get that they want to make Oliver's sacrifice look noble, but it would have been nice if Oliver admitted that maybe...just maybe...he deserved a few years in prison for murdering all those people. Instead, his "penance" is for not being an effective enough super-hero.
6. It seemed pretty easy for Oliver to get Anatoly back in the good graces of the Bratva. Is there some reason why he didn't do so a year ago?
7. Is Argus a public government agency in 2018? It's hard to keep track. Lyla seemed fine with presenting herself as "head of a federal agency" when going to the police station. If so, she should probably have had enough public leverage to get the FBI to help without Oliver sacrificing himself.
8. What ever happened to those investors that Felicity bilked out of millions? Have Felicity and Curtis really not bothered to work on anything for months? It's no wonder Palmer Tech went under... Do not trust Felicity Smoak with money!
9. Why are Felicity and William the only ones getting Argus protection? Shouldn't Wild Dog and his daughter get some coverage? And they should all be investing in bullet-proof glass at this point.
10. Diaz's "escape" was really ridiculous. Even alt-Laurel should have known better.
11. The Quadrant was pathetic. Also, there's no way Diaz compromised a national network of criminals that quickly. He would have needed months or years (on the inside) to gain leverage over all the people in that organization (assuming it really was as powerful and far reaching as Diaz claimed).
12. It took a while for Oliver to come up with the idea of Diggle and Oliver both acting as Green Arrow. Personally, I would have gone with a dark blue suit for Diggle. They could have been partners as Green Arrow and Blue Arrow (unless there's some sort of trademark issue with "Blue Arrow").
13. Why didn't the news stations get a copy of the proof that those two fired public officials were in Diaz's pocket? Also, I don't get why Oliver needed to admit that the information came from Green Arrow. He could have just leaked the information to the press. It's a bit weird to think only Oliver had access to that information or, even if he did, that he would have to be Green Arrow to want to find that information.
14. Diaz was getting pretty brazen with his control of the Star City police force. One would think the Team could have just set up a few camera to catch the police following Diaz's orders.
15. Speaking of "Star City": the end of the season had a few references to "Starling City" places like "Starling City Hospital." Did they really not rename the hospital, or are we back to calling it Starling City?
16. Am I just behind on the tech? It seems weird that Felicity is able to copy an inactive flash drive from a few feet away.
17. As usual: it's a bit hard to justify the lack of the Flash, Supergirl, or Legends helping out Oliver.
18. Has Cisco really never given Oliver an emergency interdimensional portal? It might have come in handy during the 'dying of smoke' scene. They could have even stuck around until the file was decrypted and then escaped via the portal.
19. I agree that it was odd to think Oliver disconnecting himself from his allies was the solution against Diaz (who seems to constantly be recruiting new people into his army).
20. I hope Sara makes a comment to Diggle and Lyla about Argus becoming a dystopian nightmare in the future.
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My assumption was that Oliver voluntarily stepped down upon his impeachment. He recognized that the fix was in and he couldn't win against the politicians in Diaz's pocket, so he accepted defeat and walked away from the mayor's office so that he could focus his efforts on fighting Diaz.
Maybe they want to keep their options open for next season, though there's no way he's going to be in prison that long.
5. I get that they want to make Oliver's sacrifice look noble, but it would have been nice if Oliver admitted that maybe...just maybe...he deserved a few years in prison for murdering all those people. Instead, his "penance" is for not being an effective enough super-hero.
The Arrowverse is pretty cavalier about letting people get away with murder. Dinah murdered two people in her debut episode and they let her become a detective. Over on The Flash, nobody seems to remember or care about the murder Harry Wells committed back in season 2, and
they let Marlize DeVoe walk away after she helped them stop the Thinker, even though she'd been complicit in the majority of his crimes and homicides before her turn.
Anatoly hadn't really given Oliver much reason to be in a charitable mood toward him at that point. And doing favors for mob bosses is not a particularly heroic thing to do. Oliver did it now because it was the only play left to him.
The hospital is called Starling General Hospital. Yes, it's a legacy name, but it's not like there's any rule requiring a city's old name to be erased from every place that used it. The hospital is a private institution and can call itself whatever it likes. If Cincinnati can have a Losantiville Avenue and Losantiville Country Club centuries after it was renamed, and if New York City can have a New Amsterdam Theater on Broadway, then Star City can have a Starling General Hospital.
It's Felicity. Hacking is her superpower.
They're all kinda busy with their own stuff.
Last week on The Flash, Barry handed Iris an extrapolator and told her it was their last one. As far as I know, that makes three, the others being for Kara and Leo Snart. They presumably aren't easy or inexpensive to make.
They copied a processor, wirelessly! on this show. This was elementary school stuff by comparison.
Finally watched the finale, a few weeks late to the party.....
Sara was THERE when Quentin died.... in her *time traveling space ship*.... with a FUTURE MED POD that could have saved her father from even having to go through with the surgury, and probably could have healed him from barely dead, with a stasis coma or something.....
They didn't even try. The whole death scene was contrived and cliched.
Count me as one of those expecting a version of the "Supermax" movie concept, although I'm not convinced that the FBI hasn't seeded him in jail to do a mission FOR them.....
Sara was THERE when Quentin died.... in her *time traveling space ship*.... with a FUTURE MED POD that could have saved her father from even having to go through with the surgury, and probably could have healed him from barely dead, with a stasis coma or something.....
They didn't even try. The whole death scene was contrived and cliched.
Count me as one of those expecting a version of the "Supermax" movie concept, although I'm not convinced that the FBI hasn't seeded him in jail to do a mission FOR them.....
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Actually they made a point of not having Sara arrive until it was too late, specifically in order to sidestep all that. Literally seconds after Sara and Laurel came into the waiting room, Dr. Schwartz came out to tell them that Quentin had died. So the only way Sara could've saved him was to go back in time and undo it, and she's been through 2-3 seasons' worth of character development on Legends explaining why she won't do that to save her family members. (Especially now that her girlfriend is head of the very Time Bureau whose job is to prevent such things.)
As for using Gideon's medbay to revive him shortly after death, there probably wouldn't have been time to get him back to the jump ship and then to Gideon. They would've had minutes at most before brain damage set in. Besides, maybe he had a DNR on file and didn't want heroic measures -- or in this case, superheroic measures -- attempted to save him.
Finally munched my way through this season...
... hm... I guess I'm in the minority but I liked it better than season 5 - at least till the end of Cayden James -, but overall still rather average (prefer the first 3 seasons by far). Diaz is quite the ridiculous thug with a grudge. Can't imagine how he got where he was right till the end with the quadrant, all the city in his pocket etc. Granted, much of that was James' work but still, maintaining this hold also takes more than bloody murder left and right? And Laurel's involvement is questionable at best. Just hope she won't end up on Team Arrow, one hint of conscience doesn't negate everything or turn her character good. Sorry to see Quentin die... although him and Ollie having that father-son moment... urgh. Okay, there were referrals to Quentin arresting Ollie in season 1 - but they didn't see eye to eye till much later than that, so to portray that relationship as parental is taking things a bit far.
Oliver: I see no character development here, rather a bit of regression - always the same issues, mainly trust issues, that keep popping up, being resolved until they resurface in the next season. Him now having William doesn't really change that (except - couldn't they hire a boy that can act? That boy has about 2 facial expressions)... actually, it makes it worse because they try to portray him being a dad as some kind of breakthrough. But Oliver has always been protective of those close to him, even/especially if they don't know his secret identity (in the past). And being a dad sort of turned him back into the lone wolf mentality he's been slowly crawling out from. As a sidenote: TPTB definitely should get people who can actually write children - as evidenced already in Supergirl (or was Arrow earlier but I watched it later, whatever), children are only there to raise the angst-factor, pop up unannounced where they're not wanted and/or putting themselves at risk. Classic copy&paste, but not actual characterization which would mean the viewers care about them (which I don't in either case, Ruby or William).
All the whining about Ollie's leadership qualities really got on my nerves. Diggle can't simply blame Oliver for things he himself had quite a hand in as well. I didn't hear any objections from him in earlier seasons - so now to accuse Oliver (especially of William's mother's death) seems cheap and kind of self-indulgent, given his own sins. And mini-team... please... their stupid, pubescent one-upmanship with vengeful Dinah in the lead got old so quickly that even Dinah herself didn't find it funny anymore (after one ridiculous Curtis intervention - didn't Ollie practically say the same and got the figurative finger?).
Again, the problem lies with poor characterization and the introduction of new characters that I find incredibly hard to care about: Vince, who actually murdered people, just has to claim he's undercover and everything's forgotten? Granted, his death was gruesome, no doubt about that, but I didn't feel any sympathy for this character, and therefore no sympathy for Dinah's pain. Let's not mention that saving Vince might have been important for Dinah, but in the greater scheme of things, going after James was the more important mission at that point of the narrative. The same goes for Curtis and his thrice-date Nick. Rene certainly got the best portrayal of all here. He was in a tough spot... but blowing up about Ollie not trusting the new team (and always going on about that even after they went their separate ways) was a bit of a lark given that he actually betrayed Ollie. And let's not forget, Ollie might have broken trust with doing surveillance on them - but Curtis didn't respond any better by using the chip in John's arm later on. They're pretty much even in my book, so no need for the new team to portray themselves as morally superior.
I have never liked Felicity - she's self-righteous, elevates herself to be some kind of moral compass that Oliver has to constantly measure up to. It was slightly less of an issue this season - but for the last 2 episodes. How could she ever compare herself to Lyla? Lyla is trained as an agent. Felicity isn't. She certainly has other qualities, but none that remotely qualify her as being in the field. And TBH, I didn't even get why she even entered that police HQ *after* saying that the files were copied (and then she heard the gunshots and went in). Why? Just to throw that flash drive at the technician?... ?????
Sidenotes: let's be happy that the common thugs of this show (not Diaz in this case) are trigger-happy but incapable of hitting anything. And they're quite honorable as well, always waiting for Ollie to deal with one of them instead of attacking all at the same time. The quadrant? Not sorry to see them gone - more sorry to have had to watch an episode about Diaz joining them. The trial... hm... would have liked for the trial to be real. Ollie's done quite a few bad things for which he deserves to go to prison. But this was a farce. Hopefully, later on we'll actually get Oliver to face the justice system, not in a rigged trial or a questionable deal with the FBI.
So, season 7: Ollie's in prison (for how long? was there no trial? - hopefully, that phase won't take too long), Felicity and William in protective custody (where they could stay veeery protected and especially unseen for the remainder of this series - one can dream), Rene and Dinah's aliases are pretty much known - but they still will continue on and off with Curtis and Diggle. Roy's going to return - under what premise... break-up with Thea? Laurel and Diaz are still around, as is Anatoly. But I suspect within 5 episodes there'll be a huge reset-button inserted somewhere.
... hm... I guess I'm in the minority but I liked it better than season 5 - at least till the end of Cayden James -, but overall still rather average (prefer the first 3 seasons by far). Diaz is quite the ridiculous thug with a grudge. Can't imagine how he got where he was right till the end with the quadrant, all the city in his pocket etc. Granted, much of that was James' work but still, maintaining this hold also takes more than bloody murder left and right? And Laurel's involvement is questionable at best. Just hope she won't end up on Team Arrow, one hint of conscience doesn't negate everything or turn her character good. Sorry to see Quentin die... although him and Ollie having that father-son moment... urgh. Okay, there were referrals to Quentin arresting Ollie in season 1 - but they didn't see eye to eye till much later than that, so to portray that relationship as parental is taking things a bit far.
Oliver: I see no character development here, rather a bit of regression - always the same issues, mainly trust issues, that keep popping up, being resolved until they resurface in the next season. Him now having William doesn't really change that (except - couldn't they hire a boy that can act? That boy has about 2 facial expressions)... actually, it makes it worse because they try to portray him being a dad as some kind of breakthrough. But Oliver has always been protective of those close to him, even/especially if they don't know his secret identity (in the past). And being a dad sort of turned him back into the lone wolf mentality he's been slowly crawling out from. As a sidenote: TPTB definitely should get people who can actually write children - as evidenced already in Supergirl (or was Arrow earlier but I watched it later, whatever), children are only there to raise the angst-factor, pop up unannounced where they're not wanted and/or putting themselves at risk. Classic copy&paste, but not actual characterization which would mean the viewers care about them (which I don't in either case, Ruby or William).
All the whining about Ollie's leadership qualities really got on my nerves. Diggle can't simply blame Oliver for things he himself had quite a hand in as well. I didn't hear any objections from him in earlier seasons - so now to accuse Oliver (especially of William's mother's death) seems cheap and kind of self-indulgent, given his own sins. And mini-team... please... their stupid, pubescent one-upmanship with vengeful Dinah in the lead got old so quickly that even Dinah herself didn't find it funny anymore (after one ridiculous Curtis intervention - didn't Ollie practically say the same and got the figurative finger?).
Again, the problem lies with poor characterization and the introduction of new characters that I find incredibly hard to care about: Vince, who actually murdered people, just has to claim he's undercover and everything's forgotten? Granted, his death was gruesome, no doubt about that, but I didn't feel any sympathy for this character, and therefore no sympathy for Dinah's pain. Let's not mention that saving Vince might have been important for Dinah, but in the greater scheme of things, going after James was the more important mission at that point of the narrative. The same goes for Curtis and his thrice-date Nick. Rene certainly got the best portrayal of all here. He was in a tough spot... but blowing up about Ollie not trusting the new team (and always going on about that even after they went their separate ways) was a bit of a lark given that he actually betrayed Ollie. And let's not forget, Ollie might have broken trust with doing surveillance on them - but Curtis didn't respond any better by using the chip in John's arm later on. They're pretty much even in my book, so no need for the new team to portray themselves as morally superior.
I have never liked Felicity - she's self-righteous, elevates herself to be some kind of moral compass that Oliver has to constantly measure up to. It was slightly less of an issue this season - but for the last 2 episodes. How could she ever compare herself to Lyla? Lyla is trained as an agent. Felicity isn't. She certainly has other qualities, but none that remotely qualify her as being in the field. And TBH, I didn't even get why she even entered that police HQ *after* saying that the files were copied (and then she heard the gunshots and went in). Why? Just to throw that flash drive at the technician?... ?????
Sidenotes: let's be happy that the common thugs of this show (not Diaz in this case) are trigger-happy but incapable of hitting anything. And they're quite honorable as well, always waiting for Ollie to deal with one of them instead of attacking all at the same time. The quadrant? Not sorry to see them gone - more sorry to have had to watch an episode about Diaz joining them. The trial... hm... would have liked for the trial to be real. Ollie's done quite a few bad things for which he deserves to go to prison. But this was a farce. Hopefully, later on we'll actually get Oliver to face the justice system, not in a rigged trial or a questionable deal with the FBI.
So, season 7: Ollie's in prison (for how long? was there no trial? - hopefully, that phase won't take too long), Felicity and William in protective custody (where they could stay veeery protected and especially unseen for the remainder of this series - one can dream), Rene and Dinah's aliases are pretty much known - but they still will continue on and off with Curtis and Diggle. Roy's going to return - under what premise... break-up with Thea? Laurel and Diaz are still around, as is Anatoly. But I suspect within 5 episodes there'll be a huge reset-button inserted somewhere.
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