Anyone Else Pissed at the Whole Sheen Situation?

[Frontier]

I'm not much of a sitcom guy. But I watch a lot of them in reruns when I've got nothing better to do. This season, I even started watching "Two and a Half Men" on demand the next day, just to kill 20 minutes. It occasionally makes me chuckle, which is way more than any other non-animated sitcom does (Big Bang Theory doesn't make me laugh, but it still rocks cause of all the nerdy-ness)

Anyway... just curious if I'm like, one of the very few people whose a bit pissed at this whole Charlie Sheen shit, re: the show?

They've put up with his bullshit all this time, just to fire him after 4 or 5 months of it? They're killing a golden-goose show that makes them a big chunk of change, all because -- rumor has it -- the creator is just too damned pissed off to work with Sheen again. I dunno. I can't see anything good coming from any half-assed replacement of him. It's not like when John Ritter died, and they had to do different things to keep the show alive long enough to secure syndication. And anyone who watched that show remembers how bad it got after Ritter's death...

I dunno. Just pisses me off. The season was already suspended, which gave them until July to find a fix, or for Sheen to get his shit together. Why fire him now, after 4 months of this shit, with 4 months until the next season needs to begin production? Makes little sense. Especially since the reruns of the show are pulling in great ratings, and any return by Sheen would pull in some monster numbers down the line...

 

[Amaris]

I love Charlie Sheen, but the man needs help. Serious help, immediately, or we're going to see something very bad happen very soon.

 

[Roger Wilco]

Well, I'm not. I think 2 1/2 Men is shit, and that Charlie Sheen hasn't done anything worth mentioning since Hot Shots, although he was halfway passable as Michael J. Fox's replacement in Spin City.

One less bad show on tv, almost certainly to be replaced by more bad tv, but still. I'd say that's winning.

 

[cardinal biggles]

The only side of the story we've been hearing these last couple weeks is Charlie Sheen's, and it's a story that borders on incoherence. Warner Bros. and CBS have been pretty tight-lipped, and except for a couple comments from Les Moonves at an event, have had little to say apart from their terse press releases on the subject of the show's suspension and Sheen's dismissal.

Warner Bros. and CBS undoubtedly had clauses in Sheen's contract which allowed him to be fired if his bad-boy behavior jeopardized the stability of their cash cow. If Sheen's promise to sue Warner and CBS "big" makes it to court, the details of how he breached his own contract will likely come out.

I'm not pissed at Warner or CBS; they have a business to run, and that business can't run if the star of their #1 sitcom has taken a left turn from "bad-boy" into "blue batshit crazy." They can't keep the show on hold forever waiting for Sheen to come down from his current manic episode and finally get the treatment he needs. It's not fair to the cast and crew of the show, or to either company's investors.

As amusing as this whole ride has been, Sheen's media statements backed them into a corner where firing him was the only logical option.

 

[propita]

No real sympathies for Sheen (or CBS). He wants to raise his kids to think that drugs are good--so maybe the sooner he’s out of their lives (one way or another) the better.

My sympathies are with the crew--over 200 working people are at least temporarily out of work because of his actions. Though they are getting paid. Still, the fact that Sheen basically feels that what he wants outweighs the jobs and all of 200+ others, who are the ones making it possible for him to work? Selfish bastard.

 

[RandyS]

No. I don't care one way or the other.

 

[Professor Zoom]

I'm not much of a sitcom guy. But I watch a lot of them in reruns when I've got nothing better to do. This season, I even started watching "Two and a Half Men" on demand the next day, just to kill 20 minutes. It occasionally makes me chuckle, which is way more than any other non-animated sitcom does (Big Bang Theory doesn't make me laugh, but it still rocks cause of all the nerdy-ness)

Anyway... just curious if I'm like, one of the very few people whose a bit pissed at this whole Charlie Sheen shit, re: the show?

As a fan of the show, (yes, it's true), I'm not pissed. It's just a show. There are plenty of reruns, or other shows. So, not worth being pissed.

You know who's pissed? The crew. The crew who work on the show who don't see residuals. They're pissed.

Because now they MIGHT be out of work.

They've put up with his bullshit all this time, just to fire him after 4 or 5 months of it? They're killing a golden-goose show that makes them a big chunk of change, all because -- rumor has it -- the creator is just too damned pissed off to work with Sheen again.

I think that was the straw that broke the camel's back.

Sheen is pretty responsible for killing a golden goose, too.

We don't know what it's been like behind the scenes...

I dunno. I can't see anything good coming from any half-assed replacement of him. It's not like when John Ritter died, and they had to do different things to keep the show alive long enough to secure syndication. And anyone who watched that show remembers how bad it got after Ritter's death...

Creatively, (yeah, there is some of it on Two and Half Men) I think it would be better to cancel it all together.

But, I'm sure WB and Lorre are thinking it through. They replaced the lead on Cheers (Shelly Long) and the show went on...

I dunno. Just pisses me off. The season was already suspended, which gave them until July to find a fix, or for Sheen to get his shit together. Why fire him now, after 4 months of this shit, with 4 months until the next season needs to begin production? Makes little sense. Especially since the reruns of the show are pulling in great ratings, and any return by Sheen would pull in some monster numbers down the line...

Because it hasn't been 4 months of this shit. It's been going on longer.

And Sheen really does look terrible. Sounds terrible. And is acting erratic.

He's the star of the show, WB isn't going to put money down on a guy who just might overdose one weekend and die, and then where are they?

They asked him to get clean, not only for his sake, but for their's...

It's not just WB who is doing this, it's Sheen too.

But, in the end, no, I'm not pissed. It's a TV show.

 

[Jetfire]

I haven't seen S7 or S8...but does S7 end in a place where I can stop there and it be ok...because I don't want to get into a partial S8 or watch a S9 where everything has changed...if it comes to that. I like 2.5 Men and have tolerated Sheen...but I really appreciate the actors around him.

 

[bigdaddy]

It's a fucking show, and a bad one at that, move on.

And they put up with YEARS of it, and enough is enough.

 

[Forbin]

No, it's a GOOD show (or has been), but it's been chugging along on fumes for a while. I'll miss it, but I won't cry.

 

[gh4chiefs]

No, it's a GOOD show (or has been), but it's been chugging along on fumes for a while. I'll miss it, but I won't cry.

Yeah that's how I feel about it. For me it's "must see Tv" and I've enjoyed it thoroughly but it has to end sometime, so now is as good of a time as any.

Thanks for the memories guys, and oh Charlie, you really need to STFU and let the legal contractual stuff work it's way out.

 

[Flying Spaghetti Monster]

If anyone else did the shit Sheen did, they'd be in jail.

Keep that in mind.

Now they are hoping Rob Lowe can replace him insteading of having to can the damn show

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

They've put up with his bullshit all this time, just to fire him after 4 or 5 months of it?

Sheen's drug addictions and possibly other untreated psychiatric conditions currently make him unemployable at the level of a network television series which involves enormous investments of money (for, obviously, enormous returns). He is unreliable, period.

The network and studio were absolutely right to do what they did; indeed, after his latest crisis and refusal of treatment they had no responsible choice.

 

[the G-man]

As others have pointed out, the people who have a reason to be pissed are the crew and maybe his co-stars.

For anyone else, it's just a case of a show either changing or getting cancelled. Happens all the time and has happened all the time since at least the two Darrins on Bewitched. All shows end eventually (well, not the Simpsons) and there's no use getting worked up over it.

 

[Temis the Vorta]

I've never watched that sitcom, so it's irrelevant to me. Sheen's rants are at least briefly amusing, which is more entertainment value than I've ever previously gotten from the guy. I doubt he's such a comic genius that he can't be easily replaced.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

Sheen's behavior isn't anything I haven't seen more than once, and from the POV of professionals in the mental health field it's not at all remarkable.

"Frankly, we really don't know what leads one person to a specific end," said Dr. Eric Caine, chair of psychiatry at the University of Rochester Medical Center. "No doubt, this man is a mess and his 'destiny' may not be a happy one." While Sheen's conduct in media interviews and in his online show has shocked viewers, psychiatrists say they've seen it all before. "There is nothing so unusual about what we are seeing -- for those of us in the mental health field -- just that we are seeing it so publicly," Caine said.

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[Professor Zoom]

Sheen's behavior isn't anything I haven't seen more than once, and from the POV of professionals in the mental health field it's not at all remarkable.

"Frankly, we really don't know what leads one person to a specific end," said Dr. Eric Caine, chair of psychiatry at the University of Rochester Medical Center. "No doubt, this man is a mess and his 'destiny' may not be a happy one." While Sheen's conduct in media interviews and in his online show has shocked viewers, psychiatrists say they've seen it all before. "There is nothing so unusual about what we are seeing -- for those of us in the mental health field -- just that we are seeing it so publicly," Caine said.

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Maybe some good can come from all of this. Again, helping the public be aware of the challenges and affects of addiction.

Or not. We'll just point at the trainwreck but never consider it could be happening to us or a family member.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

Well, this is already such a real issue for so many people - almost everyone has had more experience than they'd like with family, friends or coworkers with drug problems.

The real challenge in educating or providing a detached perspective comes from the fact that so many are emotionally traumatized by these problems, often as children within the family - so there's a tendency to respond to addiction out of irrational fear or anger rather than to accept information about it. Trying to reason with someone who's certain that addicts are bums or idiots or bad people because of what a father or mother did to them is nearly as frustrating as dealing with the addict him/herself.

 

[Professor Zoom]

Well, this is already such a real issue for so many people - almost everyone has had more experience than they'd like with family, friends or coworkers with drug problems.

The real challenge in educating or providing a detached perspective comes from the fact that so many are emotionally traumatized by these problems, often as children within the family - so there's a tendency to respond to addiction out of irrational fear or anger rather than to accept information about it. Trying to reason with someone who's certain that addicts are bums or idiots or bad people because of what a father or mother did to them is nearly as frustrating as dealing with the addict him/herself.

Word.

 

[lennier1]

Just annoyed by the whole thing. The guy needs medical and psychiatric help, not some idiots who try to shove a camera in his face.