Same here.
Having a 5th grader who can draw very well and she could not draw that under the time constraints that productions exists under.
This is insisting upon insulting people who cannot defend themselves declaring it being "no effort." What BS.
All the Negative people.
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This is insisting upon insulting people who cannot defend themselves declaring it being "no effort." What BS.
I'd like to see a 5th grader draw 12-24 drawings (depending if done on 2's) for every second, making sure to lip-sync, emote, and time all motions properly while staying on model every single time.
There is a LOT of effort and talent here.
I’m looking forward to the simplicity after the other two shows were way overdesigned.
This looks better than the animation from cartoons I watched when I was in fifth grade (1989-'90). And I couldn't draw anything as well as was in those either. I wished I could...
Anyway, LD is a different style, but that doesn't make it worse. If you want to talk about "looks like it was drawn by fifth graders!", you might want to try Thundercats Roar. Look it up.
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I think the horn was perfectly fine. It was the limp lizard tail on the same dog that ruined Star Trek!
I’ll just say, I like this style of animation. We see it with Rick and Morty; Duncanville; and Solar Opposites (and similar veins of animation with the Seth MacFarlane shows, Bob’s Burgers, and Central Park). I love ALL of the shows I just mentioned (and I’m a grown man with a doctorate) and find the animation charming and, at times, whimsical. I don’t think it looks like there was no effort to it, nor do I think a child could easily recreate it.
it's funny how people with doctorates can misrepresent what I said/ what I meant. The internet is fun
You literally called it 'No Effort' multiple times and said it looked like a 5th grader drew it multiple times. He didn't misrepresent anything.
Truly, my intention wasn’t to misrepresent what you said. I’m sorry if I did. That’s why I didn’t quote anyone specifically. I just saw that others had shared their opinion about the animation style and wanted to give my opinion as well.
my apologies. I just had a can of Red Bull . (yeah, that explains it)
No one is in your head.
I’m sorry, too. Thanks so much.
Indeed. The insults directed at the production team have been quite clearly stated.
I was not insulting the production team. I was insulting the product they agreed to create, which gives the impression it gives.
You have all seen crappy films, and when you insult the production values of those films, you are not attacking the list of people at the end. But it's so easy for you guys to attack me by saying I'd doing it
But then this board thrives on being hypocritical and disingenuous.. like the title of this thread
Accusations of slapped together and just for clicks is not insulting the production team? Stating that professionals are less capable than a 5th grade child is not insulting?
but that's not what I stated. You are setting up a strawman. What I did state is that the drawing look like fifth graders drawings. Sadly they were drawn by the foremost experts in animation.,.. and this is the sad culmination of a vision for a new series of one of the crown jewels of popular cultural, and this is what I'm complaining about
I think what you're missing is that you actually were repeatedly insulting the production team, and not just critiquing the production values or visual style. There's a difference between the two, and you've mostly been doing the former.
Also, I think the whole frame of "effort" as a lens thru which to assess a show or any cultural product is bizarre. The effort required to produce a show has nothing to do with whether you like it or not, or whether it's any good. Trust me, I've worked on plenty of highly difficult and challenging productions that resulted in terrible films/shows/episodes at the end of it. The fact that it required so much effort was really just a sign of fundamental flaws somewhere in the script/concept/cast/whatever. Or a sign that we were working within a dysfunctional/toxic corporate structure that could take even the most promising project and turn it into hell itself.
Actually, now that I think about it, it was probably the reverse that was true, the easiest jobs were usually the ones that resulted in the best shows/movies. Because those were the jobs where the fundamentals were right and inspired and everything was coming together harmoniously.
And of course, there were enough exceptions to those two broad trends to prove any "effort" metric truly meaningless.
All by way of saying, have whatever opinion you want about the show, just own it as your opinion. It's off-putting to argue the show is objectively bad, because of behind-the-scenes factors you don't understand that are irrelevant anyway, while tossing off nasty insults that you then deny making. If you don't like it, just don't like it! That's fine!
Then how can you make everyone else hate it?!
It's a message board.. not only is not necessary to proceed my opinions with "in my opinion" qualifier, but any casual moviegoer or even professional critic that says a movie is absolute trash does not need to apologize to the crew that made it, and nor is their opinion invalid. Also, when it comes to aggressively chastising (or praising) art a little hyperbole is to be expected otherwise what is the point. Oh I guess I live in 2020 where people are just offended by everything unless you take special care to clarify everything and not dare ruffle a single feather so that no one is offended.. after all no one has a thick skin anymore.. especially the people who either produce or even defend this kind of utter crap and dare call it Star Trek . I'm not going to be neutered just because I'm worried about people taking offence.
JOKER (to everyone in 2020): What's the matter? Did your balls drop off?
Good point. Bending others to your will is a key to the entire process here, and definitely happens if you argue hard and relentlessly enough.
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