Not really, sometimes it's about as ugly as a wad of used toilet paper. But it's a necessary thing.
All the Negative people.
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Trailers suck.
I don't know, the trailer made me think they might be able to pull this off. I was pretty much uninterested in the show before that.
Rick and Morty is a sci-fi show? I didn't know that. I may have to check it out now. Can I assume you recommend it?
^^this
IMHO, I liked it. The teaser conveys a perfect sense of characters and situation. It's a parody, it knows it, it sells it well, it's enjoyable, all the characters are archetypes with their own traits and foibles both good and bad.
I think some of the youtubers don't want to see the franchise "Star Trek" on a show that's a self-parody and are going above and beyond. I don't recall such a self-parody being attempted before like this but it's not going to impact anything preceding it. Some clearly think the franchise should be free of conscious parodies and to let other shows do the parody work. Given how many shows are in Trek's franchise belt, LD isn't going to "REKD THE ENTIRE FRANCHISE, WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!" That's ridiculous. Hell, part of me wishes I were 6 so I could enjoy the cartoon critter being hit by the deflector dish (which in its own way is cute) only to get to TOS and TNG a decade later to notice what a deflector dish actually does and then laugh in noting how I used to appreciate something then moved onto something else. Newer audiences get to do that. Older ones can't.
To my understanding it's a cartoon comedy that also uses sci-fi elements... in good and clever ways from friends who've seen R&M in the past.
A long time ago, someone equated posting in social media as shouting while being intoxicated.
The new take intrigues me and (again) I liked the teaser as it was nothing of what I was expecting and in not disagreeable ways. It's definitely for adults but that's okay.
I will tune in, but the animation is garbage, and the story doesn't look any better. This is a no-effort show, meant for pulling in quick numbers. I'll stick with the Orville tyvm
I’m sure a lot of effort went into it.
This is contradictory.
The animation does look cheap, but most modern cartoons do. My first kneejerk reaction was "Did they get Family Guy to do the animation?"
Animation, in general, is detail-oriented and takes a ton of time - even with computers making the job easier. The cheap aspect is there (perfectly drawn circles everywhere) but it's still more detailed than many cartoons from the 1970s.
Orville is live action but season 2 ramping up the serious aspect (season 1 was perfect the way it was), what will season 3 bring if the trend continues to be more serious?
The animation style is obviously an area where personal tastes and preferences will affect how you feel about it. Personally, I would have appreciated an animation style that's more handmade and looks less like many of the other contemporary shows. I'm so glad they went with 2D animation, though, and not the route Star Wars has taken with its CG-animated shows.
Saying it's “garbage” is a bit harsh, though, I think. To my eye it looks completely competent and adequate. What about it do you think deserved that harsh a judgment?
Calling it “no-effort” is complete non-sense as well, obviously. How would anyone be able to determine this from the material we've seen thus far?
This cannot be overstated. It's a ridiculous supposition to state that somehow this is ruining Star Trek.
Based upon what? A brief trailer? This is a bullshit premise that basically insults those who work on the show by declaring they are not putting in the effort in a production.
It's one thing not to like it-it's another thing to insult people's work without seeing even one episode.
Ridiculous.
And they never said it was for kids, it's skewed towards adults and they're aiming for a TV-14 raiting.
Magic! I'm sure the answer is forthcoming...
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(not you op, but linking to their crap supports them if anyone clicks)
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fireproof78 said:
FSM, would you elaborate on "no-effort"? Animation alone takes a lot of effort regardless of how it looks, but script-writing is a beast of burden too.
I agree with fireproof78; not just because of the animation aspect - despite tricks used to increase scene production efficiency and/or reduce costs, it's not cheap or effortless - but plot and acting content. The teaser feels like the actors are pulling a decent amount of weight. We'd have to see full stories first, but the only thing that I find "cheap" might be a clip show reusing old scenes to save money and scripting time. I'm trying to think of truly lame shows and I still can't think of an example of "zero effort". (Episodes may have problems, but having been in creative writing classes, for something to be "no-effort" takes a rather special quality that (a) few people have, and (b) wouldn't be found interesting by anybody in any way shape or form regardless of special effects used. Maaaaaaaaaaybe some "talk shows" and "reality shows" could qualify for "no effort", but that doesn't make those bad just because, and sci-fi (regardless if it's serious, comedy, parody, mixture, etc) could be so lazy. Creative venues are far more difficult to begin with anyway. Like or dislike the work is not just an individual thing, there is always a ton of work involved. Too much to throw off as "lazy".
That cannot be overstated either. One has to watch a fair amount of the show before deciding to dislike it, and even then there can be episodes one may not see having given up on it (the reasons make their own thread) that can easily contain excellent scenes despite the overall episode tone/content/whatever being disagreeable by the viewer.
I hadn't heard either way (and the teaser pretty quickly shows it's not for kids, LOL), and people do assume (not wrongly) that cartoons are for kids... even though many, for several decades, were adult-themed...
Indeed. It amazes how that association has occurred.
Depends on your sense of humour.
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