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Agents of SHIELD - Season 2 Discussion Threads. (Spoilers Likely)

^Oops, sorry. Still, it's an interesting question -- would a Helicarrier be classified as a ship or an aircraft? I mean, the comics version is normally airborne, but the MCU version is amphibious.
 
^Oops, sorry. Still, it's an interesting question -- would a Helicarrier be classified as a ship or an aircraft? I mean, the comics version is normally airborne, but the MCU version is amphibious.

The way I see it, seaplanes are considered aircraft despite their ability to float while...well, name one boat that can fly? ;)

From what I gather, the pre-arc reactor hellicarriers would only "land" (float?) when they needed to refuel or presumably to act relatively inconspicuous. Well, as inconspicuous as a bloody great nuclear powered aircraft carrier can get anyway. At the very least it's *less* conspicuous than an FLYING bloody great nuclear powered aircraft carrier. ;)

Indeed, if Gonzales's ship is a hellicarrier then looking like a Nimitz above the waterline may be as much camouflage as anything else.

Once assumes the retro-reflective cloaking system is a relatively recent development.
 
I suppose "aircraft" is perhaps too broad a term for the helicarriers. Bit of a pun, but maybe "airship" would be more apt? Sure, it's not a dirigible but it is functionally closer to one than say a jet or even a helicopter.
 
They're flying aircraft carriers, basically six/seven story buildings with a flat top on them. And as I racall only one had a name, the Behemmoth and it was the one used by Dum Dum Dugan to hunt down Godzilla.
 
All I know is, if the flying aircraft carrier of an international security agency with a silly acronym for a name that fights fantastical alien threats to humanity has a name in one universe (the Valiant for UNIT in Doctor Who), then the flying aircraft carrier of an international security agency with a silly acronym for a name that fights fantastical alien threats to humanity ought to have a name in the MCU!
 
Well, name one boat that can fly?

Hovercraft and Hydrofoils give it a good try.

As for the Insight class, well there are none to worry about and they seem to just have been IN-01, 02 and 03 to everyone anyway.

But 64, she's in Tony's hands now, I'd like to think that even if she didn't have a name before, Tony and the others will have done so now.

Which means Steve and Thor may have weighed in on the name, she could have some Asgardian one now for all we know. Age of Ultron may give an anwser.
 
All I know is, if the flying aircraft carrier of an international security agency with a silly acronym for a name that fights fantastical alien threats to humanity has a name in one universe (the Valiant for UNIT in Doctor Who), then the flying aircraft carrier of an international security agency with a silly acronym for a name that fights fantastical alien threats to humanity ought to have a name in the MCU!

SHIELD came from the James Bond era and orignially SHIELD would fight earth bound threats that had similar technology mainly A.I.M and Hydra. And of course the Thunderbirds also had a flying fortress similar to the Valiant but the SHIELD Helicarriers came first. And really the universe SHIELD belonds to has aliesn, super heroes, Inhumans, Eternals and a being that eats entire planets to live, in that context it's hardly silly at all.
 
All I know is, if the flying aircraft carrier of an international security agency with a silly acronym for a name that fights fantastical alien threats to humanity has a name in one universe (the Valiant for UNIT in Doctor Who), then the flying aircraft carrier of an international security agency with a silly acronym for a name that fights fantastical alien threats to humanity ought to have a name in the MCU!

SHIELD came from the James Bond era and orignially SHIELD would fight earth bound threats that had similar technology mainly A.I.M and Hydra. And of course the Thunderbirds also had a flying fortress similar to the Valiant but the SHIELD Helicarriers came first. And really the universe SHIELD belonds to has aliesn, super heroes, Inhumans, Eternals and a being that eats entire planets to live, in that context it's hardly silly at all.

Thank you, Mister Buzzkill. ;)

I was mostly just pointing out the extreme similarities between UNIT and SHIELD.

Also: Doctor Who has fantastical threats similar to those of the MCU. That doesn't make either of their acronyms any less silly as name. :devil:
 
Well, name one boat that can fly?

Hovercraft and Hydrofoils give it a good try.

As for the Insight class, well there are none to worry about and they seem to just have been IN-01, 02 and 03 to everyone anyway.

But 64, she's in Tony's hands now, I'd like to think that even if she didn't have a name before, Tony and the others will have done so now.

Which means Steve and Thor may have weighed in on the name, she could have some Asgardian one now for all we know. Age of Ultron may give an anwser.

Wouldn't it be funny if they renamed it the Phil Coulson? That would be hilariously awkward when he inevitably turns up not dead (they still don't know, right?)

If they go down the Asgardian route then the Valkyrie would probably be a good bet.
 
Given his attitude toward's Fury, him showing up alive and still poncing around meddling with things behind the scenes is more likely to just piss Gonzales off even more.
Then he's in for a sweet smackdown. :D

One might argue that to those opposed to homosexuality, other races, religions, <insert crazy prejudice here> the *perceived* danger is just as real to them. Superpowers just makes it literal.
Sure, but in the case of real-world bigotry the threat is entirely imaginary. We can't consider someone like Simmons (or Coulson, since he knows that some kind of action needs to be taken) in the same category as Aryan Nation or something, because there are legitimate concerns with super-powers. Gonzalez's group may be a different story-- like the Kree guy, they may want to just kill anybody "infected" with powers. I don't think we know yet.
 
KreePete wanted to save the Galaxy.

The Kree had given up terrigenesis thousands of years ago because it didn't work.

If proof was found that it did work after all, how many thousands of new worlds would have their populations vivisected to be receptive to terrigenesis, and then the other 2 billion buggy aliens who didn't go under the knife, would turn to rock and then dust as global terrigenisis takes effect.

Once the Kree's enemies figure out the technology, it becomes then an arms race to see who can weaponize and deploy the most backwater worlds first, homogenizing the milky way into nothing but Inhumans loyal to one flag at war with more inhumans loyal to another flag until everyone else is dead mounted on flagpoles the Inhumans thought twice about honouring.
 
Given his attitude toward's Fury, him showing up alive and still poncing around meddling with things behind the scenes is more likely to just piss Gonzales off even more.
Then he's in for a sweet smackdown. :D

If nothing else it'd be an epic stare-off match. ;)

One might argue that to those opposed to homosexuality, other races, religions, <insert crazy prejudice here> the *perceived* danger is just as real to them. Superpowers just makes it literal.
Sure, but in the case of real-world bigotry the threat is entirely imaginary. We can't consider someone like Simmons (or Coulson, since he knows that some kind of action needs to be taken) in the same category as Aryan Nation or something, because there are legitimate concerns with super-powers. Gonzalez's group may be a different story-- like the Kree guy, they may want to just kill anybody "infected" with powers. I don't think we know yet.

It's not a perfect analogy, I agree. Seems like there's a bit of gun regulation mixed in there too, but that's more of an American thing and not so universal.

What's probably worth keeping in mind is that while the prejudice allegory is a dimension of Marvel's superhero mythos (more so with the X-Men's corner, but still present elsewhere), it's not whole the point in and of itself.
Also, somewhat more pertinent is the fact that imaginary threats aren't terribly entertaining in an action adventure set-up. Making the threat real (or at least potentially real) allows for a certain degree of dramatic tension you wouldn't get if the problem was a simple black and white morality play.

If they go down the Asgardian route then the Valkyrie would probably be a good bet.

Now that, I like.

It may even persuade Stark to switch his dramatic entrance music from AC/DC to Wagner. ;)
 
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